Whither Pakistan? The Presidential \'Election\' and Beyond
Naqsh Mian you seem to have deliberately overlooked the query made in my post at serial #41. May I know the reason for disappointing me?
Meanwhile kindly let us have your learned comments on an editorial of Daily Times of 14.10.07 reproduced hereunder:
"Drat, three Eids again!
As yet another example of our Islamic “literalism”, we have observed three Eids this year again. Pakistan’s top cleric, the sombre-faced Mufti Munibur Rehman – his name actually means “warner” – first criticised the Saudi authorities for deciding the Eid day without any rules, then declared Eid in Pakistan on Sunday (today). The Saudis announced their Eid on Friday, which led to some Saudi-influenced mosques in London to declare it in unison, and some not so influenced declared it for Saturday. This year Mufti Munibur Rehman was lucky not to have fallen victim to the wrath of his fellow-priests. Some years ago, when he insisted too much on the “rules of sighting”, some ulema from the NWFP had roughed him up!
Muslim scientists have claimed again and again that they can give a mathematically perfect date of appearance of the Shawwal moon many years in advance. They have said that Muslim calendars can actually lay down the Eid days accurately. But no one listens to them: the rule is to see the moon with the bare eye. It is possible that Saudi Arabia has adopted the scientific method without admitting it. But Pakistan uses the weather bureau watch-points for the purpose. Did Pakistan arrive at a consensual Eid? No. After the Saudi announcement, many parts of the NWFP declared Eid on Friday. Some areas settled for Saturday while the rest of the country observed Eid on Sunday. The problem here is not with an obsession with synchronicity but the belief that fasting on Eid day is a cardinal sin. Three Eids this year have ended up making sinners of us all as in every past year, maybe cancelling our accumulated piety in the month of Ramadan."
(Ed 2, Daily Times, 14.10.07.)
Posted by
teshah
Oct 14, 2007 07:45 pm
Re: # 64Naqsh Mian you seem to have deliberately overlooked the query made in my post at serial #41. May I know the reason for disappointing me?
Meanwhile kindly let us have your learned comments on an editorial of Daily Times of 14.10.07 reproduced hereunder:
"Drat, three Eids again!
As yet another example of our Islamic “literalism”, we have observed three Eids this year again. Pakistan’s top cleric, the sombre-faced Mufti Munibur Rehman – his name actually means “warner” – first criticised the Saudi authorities for deciding the Eid day without any rules, then declared Eid in Pakistan on Sunday (today). The Saudis announced their Eid on Friday, which led to some Saudi-influenced mosques in London to declare it in unison, and some not so influenced declared it for Saturday. This year Mufti Munibur Rehman was lucky not to have fallen victim to the wrath of his fellow-priests. Some years ago, when he insisted too much on the “rules of sighting”, some ulema from the NWFP had roughed him up!
Muslim scientists have claimed again and again that they can give a mathematically perfect date of appearance of the Shawwal moon many years in advance. They have said that Muslim calendars can actually lay down the Eid days accurately. But no one listens to them: the rule is to see the moon with the bare eye. It is possible that Saudi Arabia has adopted the scientific method without admitting it. But Pakistan uses the weather bureau watch-points for the purpose. Did Pakistan arrive at a consensual Eid? No. After the Saudi announcement, many parts of the NWFP declared Eid on Friday. Some areas settled for Saturday while the rest of the country observed Eid on Sunday. The problem here is not with an obsession with synchronicity but the belief that fasting on Eid day is a cardinal sin. Three Eids this year have ended up making sinners of us all as in every past year, maybe cancelling our accumulated piety in the month of Ramadan."
(Ed 2, Daily Times, 14.10.07.)
Whither Pakistan? The Presidential \'Election\' and Beyond
I have a personal question. Naqsh Mian you claim to be a Hanafi and what not. My family is also Hanafi traditionally. But I did not know much about this Hanafiism except that I considered Hanafi people to be comparatively peace-loving, tolerant, and liberal till I saw an edict attributed to Abu Hanifa in a publication of an extremist sectarian organization which said "A 'Zindeeq' (meaning, a free thinking non-believer, perhaps, as most chowkies are) must be lynched secretly as no pardon can be granted to a zindee".
My question is do you believe in this edict and what, in your view, 'zindeeq' means?
Posted by
teshah
Oct 13, 2007 07:04 pm
NaqshI have a personal question. Naqsh Mian you claim to be a Hanafi and what not. My family is also Hanafi traditionally. But I did not know much about this Hanafiism except that I considered Hanafi people to be comparatively peace-loving, tolerant, and liberal till I saw an edict attributed to Abu Hanifa in a publication of an extremist sectarian organization which said "A 'Zindeeq' (meaning, a free thinking non-believer, perhaps, as most chowkies are) must be lynched secretly as no pardon can be granted to a zindee".
My question is do you believe in this edict and what, in your view, 'zindeeq' means?
This Is For The Men Who\'ll Roll Their Eyes
tahmed
Thank you dear for the concern and sympathy shown by you about my shattered family life.
You say:
"I have noticed a slightly negative attitude towards women. Perhaps you may consider bringing the day this article talks about to your wife, and perhaps that will make her your friend and not your enemy. If you are offended by a stranger intruding in your personal life, please excuse the intrusion."
I won't mind but rather welcome your well-intentioned 'intrusion' except that I find your post a bit judgmental. I do admit that I treat the woman as such a negative being in the sense neutron is negative as she sucks the man in, all lock stock and barrel. But what should we do with her when she becomes menupaused (Phundar) and a vicious witch, a virtual 'churhail'. An old maid of ours had made a remark recently about the woman which left me pondering. She had said in Punjabi,"Zinani te bhaja bhaanda ae (The woman is a broken ware)". But she is terrible when she becomes a 'churhail'.
I beg apology from all mothers, sisters, daughters who also belong to the category.
Posted by
teshah
Oct 11, 2007 07:34 pm
Re: # 151tahmed
Thank you dear for the concern and sympathy shown by you about my shattered family life.
You say:
"I have noticed a slightly negative attitude towards women. Perhaps you may consider bringing the day this article talks about to your wife, and perhaps that will make her your friend and not your enemy. If you are offended by a stranger intruding in your personal life, please excuse the intrusion."
I won't mind but rather welcome your well-intentioned 'intrusion' except that I find your post a bit judgmental. I do admit that I treat the woman as such a negative being in the sense neutron is negative as she sucks the man in, all lock stock and barrel. But what should we do with her when she becomes menupaused (Phundar) and a vicious witch, a virtual 'churhail'. An old maid of ours had made a remark recently about the woman which left me pondering. She had said in Punjabi,"Zinani te bhaja bhaanda ae (The woman is a broken ware)". But she is terrible when she becomes a 'churhail'.
I beg apology from all mothers, sisters, daughters who also belong to the category.
Army and the President
Posted by
teshah
Oct 9, 2007 03:12 pm
Mush promised to take off uniform before taking oath of the President. What if he does not take an oath again as he has already taken oath twice for the post? Does it not look absurd keeping on repeating the oath each time you are granted extension on a post? This would have perhaps made some sense if Mush had resigned before his election as president. 'Dil harazaada te hujtaan de dher'.
This Is For The Men Who\'ll Roll Their Eyes
Thank you dear for the sympathy and a prayer which only a sincere lady like you can supplicate for a person un-known to you.
Posted by
teshah
Oct 8, 2007 04:29 pm
Re: # 146Thank you dear for the sympathy and a prayer which only a sincere lady like you can supplicate for a person un-known to you.
Jinnah and the Islamic State – Setting the Record Straight
Woh to Lal Qille pih Jhanda lehrana chahte the magar hua kia. Bengali aksariat ne Musalmani aksariat ke khilaf vote de dia(vote hi nahein dia balkih lakhon jaanoon ki qurbaani di) aur yoon Quide Azam ke Pakistan ko hi torh ke rakh dia. Aur aaj jisko Pakistan kaha jata he wahaan musalmanon ka kia hashar ho raha he.
What a homeland for muslims it has come out to be that they are trying every mean to run away from lt.
Posted by
teshah
Oct 2, 2007 05:18 pm
Re: # 358Woh to Lal Qille pih Jhanda lehrana chahte the magar hua kia. Bengali aksariat ne Musalmani aksariat ke khilaf vote de dia(vote hi nahein dia balkih lakhon jaanoon ki qurbaani di) aur yoon Quide Azam ke Pakistan ko hi torh ke rakh dia. Aur aaj jisko Pakistan kaha jata he wahaan musalmanon ka kia hashar ho raha he.
What a homeland for muslims it has come out to be that they are trying every mean to run away from lt.
Musharraf the Out-smarter
HP
Thank you dear for your courteous response. I totally agree with you what you say now. We are constrained to discuss ethnic background of army generals because of Mush's links with MQM (Matarua Qaatil Maafia). Otherwise I used to like him very much as a liberal general coming ,as he was, after that pseudo Islamist Zia.
Here I would like to express my condemnation for the manhandling, yesterday, of Farooq Sattar as he was perhaps the only non-matarua gentleman in the MQM. It could have perhaps been forgiven if it had been done with the persons like Waseem Akhtar, verily a 'kan-tutta' matarua.
Posted by
teshah
Sep 29, 2007 06:40 pm
Re: # 317HP
Thank you dear for your courteous response. I totally agree with you what you say now. We are constrained to discuss ethnic background of army generals because of Mush's links with MQM (Matarua Qaatil Maafia). Otherwise I used to like him very much as a liberal general coming ,as he was, after that pseudo Islamist Zia.
Here I would like to express my condemnation for the manhandling, yesterday, of Farooq Sattar as he was perhaps the only non-matarua gentleman in the MQM. It could have perhaps been forgiven if it had been done with the persons like Waseem Akhtar, verily a 'kan-tutta' matarua.
A Sad Day for Pakistan
zakk
You are right. These unarmed electioneering political parties cannot possibly fight with the army. These can at the most share power with it as its lakies as army can understand only the language of the gun (May be local or foreign) or an overwhelming revolution like that in Iran by Khumeni.
Posted by
teshah
Sep 29, 2007 06:09 pm
Re: # 54zakk
You are right. These unarmed electioneering political parties cannot possibly fight with the army. These can at the most share power with it as its lakies as army can understand only the language of the gun (May be local or foreign) or an overwhelming revolution like that in Iran by Khumeni.
A Sad Day for Pakistan
I totally agree with you. A constitution which can be converted into a 'Fatwah'(an edict) on the faith of the people, which only God knows about, can also declare the man in 'wardi with the gun' to be the only fit person to rule the country, turned virtually into 'Yakistan' now.
Posted by
teshah
Sep 28, 2007 07:00 pm
Re: # 2I totally agree with you. A constitution which can be converted into a 'Fatwah'(an edict) on the faith of the people, which only God knows about, can also declare the man in 'wardi with the gun' to be the only fit person to rule the country, turned virtually into 'Yakistan' now.
Musharraf the Out-smarter
HP
Thank you for your kind response. However I can’t agree with your analysis in toto. We differ in our definitions – my ‘Matarua’ does not include all mohajirs and your ‘mohajir’ does not cover all refugees from India.
Again, Ayub was an ethnic Pathan; Yahya was Iranian-cum-Pashawari and Zia, a mohajir Punjabi. No doubt they were all usurpers and they lied, cheated and betrayed the people, but their style of ruling was quite different from Mush, a typical Matarua. For instance, none else could murder an old man like Akbar Bugti as mercilessly as Mush did. None of them went so far to perpetuate their rule as Mush is doing now so brazenly. Now let us wait to see his nemesis if we live to see that.
At the end I may clarify that I do not label the entire Urdu-speaking mohajir community as mataruas. In fact I would prefer to vote for Wajihuddin, an Urdu-speaking mohajir from Dehli, to any Punjabi leader of today, notwithstanding the fact that I don’t consider it a wise step politically his contesting a bogus election wherein Mush has been allowed to stand with his ‘wardi’ on. It is pity that our politicians are helpless against the dictator politically as they have no legs to stand. This reminds me of an historical boycott of elections by the Indian National Congress during mid 1935.
If I recall correctly, A Roy Sahib stood for election from a seat in Lahore defying the boycott by the Congress. To teach him a lesson the Congress gave ticket to the sweeper of his street. Roy Sahib was defeated by the sweeper very disgracefully. But here the Electoral College consists of majority of ‘lotas’ and the ‘NAB zaddah’ MPs who have been depoliticized completely.
Posted by
teshah
Sep 28, 2007 06:07 pm
Re: # 84HP
Thank you for your kind response. However I can’t agree with your analysis in toto. We differ in our definitions – my ‘Matarua’ does not include all mohajirs and your ‘mohajir’ does not cover all refugees from India.
Again, Ayub was an ethnic Pathan; Yahya was Iranian-cum-Pashawari and Zia, a mohajir Punjabi. No doubt they were all usurpers and they lied, cheated and betrayed the people, but their style of ruling was quite different from Mush, a typical Matarua. For instance, none else could murder an old man like Akbar Bugti as mercilessly as Mush did. None of them went so far to perpetuate their rule as Mush is doing now so brazenly. Now let us wait to see his nemesis if we live to see that.
At the end I may clarify that I do not label the entire Urdu-speaking mohajir community as mataruas. In fact I would prefer to vote for Wajihuddin, an Urdu-speaking mohajir from Dehli, to any Punjabi leader of today, notwithstanding the fact that I don’t consider it a wise step politically his contesting a bogus election wherein Mush has been allowed to stand with his ‘wardi’ on. It is pity that our politicians are helpless against the dictator politically as they have no legs to stand. This reminds me of an historical boycott of elections by the Indian National Congress during mid 1935.
If I recall correctly, A Roy Sahib stood for election from a seat in Lahore defying the boycott by the Congress. To teach him a lesson the Congress gave ticket to the sweeper of his street. Roy Sahib was defeated by the sweeper very disgracefully. But here the Electoral College consists of majority of ‘lotas’ and the ‘NAB zaddah’ MPs who have been depoliticized completely.
Musharraf the Out-smarter
Janoo
No dear, according to my definition, Justice Wajihuddin is not a Matarua. He is a respectable gentleman. Had he been a Matarua he would have been supported by MQM. For your information I do not call all Mohajars as Mataruas. In fact my wife is also a mohajir. Matarua mohajirs are a special breed like Mush who was showing his 'mukkaas' when MQM was massacring innocent people in Karachi. Yih to 'Ek karela doosra neem chrhha' wali baat he.
Regards.
Posted by
teshah
Sep 27, 2007 06:29 pm
Re: # 79Janoo
No dear, according to my definition, Justice Wajihuddin is not a Matarua. He is a respectable gentleman. Had he been a Matarua he would have been supported by MQM. For your information I do not call all Mohajars as Mataruas. In fact my wife is also a mohajir. Matarua mohajirs are a special breed like Mush who was showing his 'mukkaas' when MQM was massacring innocent people in Karachi. Yih to 'Ek karela doosra neem chrhha' wali baat he.
Regards.
Musharraf the Out-smarter
No! Laddu mian it is a futile effort to reform Islam. Ahmadi-ism and Bahai-ism, to name a few, tried this but failed. When you cannot change the Quran, the word of Allah, how, on earth, can you change Islam to make it compatible with the 'Darul-Harb' in the global village of today.
Posted by
teshah
Sep 27, 2007 05:52 pm
Re: # 80No! Laddu mian it is a futile effort to reform Islam. Ahmadi-ism and Bahai-ism, to name a few, tried this but failed. When you cannot change the Quran, the word of Allah, how, on earth, can you change Islam to make it compatible with the 'Darul-Harb' in the global village of today.
Musharraf the Out-smarter
HP
Well done dear HP! Mush being a typical Matarua is using his wardi to camouflage his matarua mentality - all conceit, selfishness ,treachery, ruthlessness. The sooner the nation is aware of his real self the better. We took him as an Atta Turk but he came out to be a Matarua Commando. He can play with the politicians because he holds the gun but the world knows him and sooner or later he would meet his nemesis.
The sad part of all this is that the nation is at a loss to find any alternative to replace him. The nomination of Wajiuddin might prove to be a hopeful sign.
Posted by
teshah
Sep 26, 2007 07:07 pm
Re: # 5HP
Well done dear HP! Mush being a typical Matarua is using his wardi to camouflage his matarua mentality - all conceit, selfishness ,treachery, ruthlessness. The sooner the nation is aware of his real self the better. We took him as an Atta Turk but he came out to be a Matarua Commando. He can play with the politicians because he holds the gun but the world knows him and sooner or later he would meet his nemesis.
The sad part of all this is that the nation is at a loss to find any alternative to replace him. The nomination of Wajiuddin might prove to be a hopeful sign.
Limits of Multiculturalism
Masadi
What kind of Islam it is which you are pontifying? As far as I know, there is no concept of 'state', state services, military services, etc., in original Islam. Islam in practice today with police, taxation, professional careerist military service, all coercive apparatuses of the state has nothing to do with Islam as Quran says 'La hukmo Illa lillah' and 'La ikrah fiddin'.
Posted by
teshah
Sep 25, 2007 06:34 pm
Re: # 230Masadi
What kind of Islam it is which you are pontifying? As far as I know, there is no concept of 'state', state services, military services, etc., in original Islam. Islam in practice today with police, taxation, professional careerist military service, all coercive apparatuses of the state has nothing to do with Islam as Quran says 'La hukmo Illa lillah' and 'La ikrah fiddin'.
Limits of Multiculturalism
DM
"Yes, the Hindus looked down upon marrying even outside their sub castes, never mind caste or religion."
What is 'Got' then? I had learnt that Hindus were avers to marrying with near blood relations within their 'got' unlike Muslims who usually marry their cousins.
I was told by a friend that when he had asked a Hindu friend why their wives are so 'developed' when ours are so skinny he had said "Our wives are real wives, which are used well by us while yours (Muslim's) are your sisters".
Regards
Posted by
teshah
Sep 25, 2007 06:14 pm
Re: # 224DM
"Yes, the Hindus looked down upon marrying even outside their sub castes, never mind caste or religion."
What is 'Got' then? I had learnt that Hindus were avers to marrying with near blood relations within their 'got' unlike Muslims who usually marry their cousins.
I was told by a friend that when he had asked a Hindu friend why their wives are so 'developed' when ours are so skinny he had said "Our wives are real wives, which are used well by us while yours (Muslim's) are your sisters".
Regards
Limits of Multiculturalism
tahmed
"No doubt McCarthy would have had a heart attack if he had heard of Mazdakis. :-)"
I don't think so. What is 'group sex' after all? McCarthy must have been aware of it.
They say; one day when lights went on after a group-sex session a man cried out "Oh God! I have been fucking my own wife!"
Posted by
teshah
Sep 25, 2007 05:32 pm
Re: # 206tahmed
"No doubt McCarthy would have had a heart attack if he had heard of Mazdakis. :-)"
I don't think so. What is 'group sex' after all? McCarthy must have been aware of it.
They say; one day when lights went on after a group-sex session a man cried out "Oh God! I have been fucking my own wife!"
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