Mukhtar Mai\'s December 11th Fundraiser in Sacramento Re: # 29

Arjun

"Why are you fundraising for a woman who, to quote the new Paki president and owner of a spanking new learjet, got herself raped to make a million $$ and get a canadian visa?"

And got honoured too (vide Tahmed32 at #19). What a win-win-win position it is! Is it not intriguing that her's is entirely a one-sided show as her alleged rapists (potentially all men can be accused of rape) are silent and deprived of gender sympathy for being accused of having been 'dishonoured' for executing the order of the Meerwala Punchayat to honour MM by raping her because her brother had 'honoured' the 'rapists'' sister. It all looks so bizarre to me.

Mukhtar Mai\'s December 11th Fundraiser in Sacramento Re: # 10

tahmed

Thank you dear for your courteous response.

You say:
"I fail to understand why you have this animosity towards Mukhtaran Mai to the extent that you are prepared to claim the exact opposite of what you know to be true."

May I ask, how do you presume that I have animosity towards MM and what is true in your view.

Is it inimical to her to say that she was not raped and her honour is in tact. In fact this was the judgment of the Multan High Court which still holds ground unless and until reversed by the Supreme court
where the case, I presume, is still pending.

Re. others:
I don't know why the dogs are barking as though they are after a hot bitch vying for their turn.

Mukhtar Mai\'s December 11th Fundraiser in Sacramento What's this; Fund raising for a woman falsely accusing some persons of the opposite gender as rapists?

First it was Bangladesh now it Baluchistan A timely article indeed. The murder of the great Baloch leader, Akbar Bugti, is the most heinous crime committed by Mush. He is veritably a worshiper of the 'Kaali Kursi Devi' and can go to any length like 'Thug' killers.

Dispensation of Justice is the Main Pillar of Democracy Re: # 13

Well done dear nasah. A bear is perhaps better than many human beings who are called by the name'Mohammad'. Does not the Quran say,"Those who do not use their 'aql' are worst than animals". Their are Muslims who assign this name to themselves and get it disgraced and abused by their behaviour worse than animals. Any how: What's in a name; a stinking thing would not smell sweet by calling it a rose and vise versa.

Dispensation of Justice is the Main Pillar of Democracy Re: # 7

Nasah

You are 100% correct dear nasah. Just see: the Constitution of the Islamic Republic stands suspended but the 'Fatwas'in it stand intact.

Just see Mush, the 'enlightened' bowing before and kissing the black stone in Mekka but trampling the Islamic Constitution under his boots. They in fact worship only the cult of 'KURSI DEVI', treating it as the 'Aeyatul-Kursi'.

In a nutshell, it is nothing but a bizzar theatre in absurdity.

Dispensation of Justice is the Main Pillar of Democracy Re: # 2

Is it not intriguing that Nawaz was allowed to come back only after the election of Musharraf as president for the second term had been finalized. Does it not suggest a collusion between the incumbent rulers playing with Nawaz like a foot-ball to facilitate each other?

Dispensation of Justice is the Main Pillar of Democracy Haq

No doubt rule of law, a constitution ensuring basic human rights. and justice are the main pillars of democracy, nay, even of any civilized society.

But ours is an 'Islamic' society, wherein Islam means 'Deen-e-Mullah fi sabilillah fassaad'. The Constitution here has been turned into a 'Fatwa' of 'Takfir' (edict of declaring infidel) and 'Blasphemy'. How can one think of democracy in a country which is occupied by the army and the mullah with scant regard for its judiciary.

Religiosity, National Ethos and Governance Re: # 92

Mateen

The problem in fact is not having any faith but treating other faiths as 'kufr' and believers in those faiths deserving to be lynched, not sparing even those carrying the lable of Muslim.

Just see this letter I got from somewhere:

"Islam and Muslims

Sir: A Western philosopher once said that “Islam is probably the best religion but its followers are the worst of all religions”. The decline of the Islamic world in the past 500 years is clear evidence that Muslims themselves are to blame. At the heart of the matter is a widespread belief among Muslim populations that they are God’s chosen and preferred people and superior to others.

That makes approximately 4.8 billion people (3/4th of the world) infidel, kaafir and jahanammi. The fallacy and absurdity of this idealism has pitched Islamic civilisation against the rest of the world. Do we ever pause to think why Muslims are involved in conflicts in most regions of the world? Why can’t they get along with anyone? I believe this is because most Muslims seem to be unable to respect other civilisations. Religion should be a means of ending people’s suffering not increasing them. One can only hope that the Muslims become less arrogant and learn to live amicably with people of other religions. That alone will lead to a lasting peace in the world."
(IMRAN MOHAMMAD KHAN
Pennsylvania)

Religiosity, National Ethos and Governance Re: # 18

Zyxius

Can you define the term 'Muslim' you use so profusely? In this connection I will advise you to read 'Munir Inquiry Report', if not already done. According to this judicial Inquiry the self-styled 'Ulema' had failed to have consensual definition of the term 'Muslim'. Despite that, later on the very Constitution was turned into a 'fatwa' by ZAB whose own faith was questionable with the Islam-Pasands. This constitutional fatwa had an earth-shaking effect when still later on Zia used it as a handle to make the faith of all the citizens of Pakistan who claimed to be Muslims questionable requiring a disgraceful affidavit (Half-namah)to be signed by them each time they desired to be certified as such.

Ironically, only this 'Fatwa' stands ground even when the Constitution is held in abeyance.

Religiosity, National Ethos and Governance A really thought provoking article or may it be called a pamphlet, titled 'Lamahe Fikreehah"!

I could read only a portion of it and stopped at the quote from Ayesha "A country in search of a nation".
In fact that is the crux of the problem as Pakistan is neither a 'country' nor have a nation but is a Federation of Nationalities. It recalls to me a statement made by a Kashmiri Leader a few years ago. While opposing accession to Pakistan he was of the opinion that since Kashmiries are a nation it was for nation-less Pakistanies who should accede to Kashmir, if they so wish.

Martial Law Not Emergency Re: # 14,

But why have a professional, careerist army at all especially when it is anti-people, anti-human and above all anti-constitution, liable to be punished under Article 6 thereof.

An army, as such, must have a discipline, no doubt, but what is discipline.

In this connection I relate a true story narrated by a Major-general of the Pak army who happened to visit China during Mao's time. He said,

" When I reached China there was only one army man to receive me. He lifted my two bags and started walking with me. On introduction I was surprised to know that he was a Lt. General in the peoples Army (At that time army ranks were not allowed to be shown). He took me to a mess where I saw all ranks of soldiers having their meals. I asked my host do they not have separate messes for the officers to maintain discipline. He asked me what I meant by discipline if it is not giving of orders and obeying orders of the supperiors. It was, he continued, the order of our Chairman Mao (In our case the Quaide Aazam, the PM and the Constitution) , who required us not to keep ourselves aloof from the soldiers that we are obeying and having a combined mess with the soldiers however we may dislike it."

Martial Law Not Emergency Re: # 14,

But why have a professional, careerist army at all especially when it is anti-people, anti-human and above all anti-constitution, liable to be punished under Article 6 thereof.

An army, as such, must have a discipline, no doubt, but what is discipline.

In this connection I relate a true story narrated by a Major-general of the Pak army who happened to visit China during Mao's time. He said,

" When I reached China there was only one army man to receive me. He lifted my two bags and started walking with me. On introduction I was surprised to know that he was a Lt. General in the peoples Army (At that time army ranks were not allowed to be shown). He took me to a mess where I saw all ranks of soldiers having their meals. I asked my host do they not have separate messes for the officers to maintain discipline. He asked me what I meant by discipline if it is not giving of orders and obeying orders of the supperiors. It was, he continued, the order of our Chairman Mao (In our case the Quaide Aazam, the PM and the Constitution) , who required us not to keep ourselves aloof from the soldiers that we are obeying."

Pervez Musharraf Declares Emergency in Pakistan Re: # 181

You say:

"What Musharraf did was totally right under the present circumstances."

Should it not be corrected to read:

"What Musharraf did was totally right under the circumstances he himself was responsible for presenting to the nation."

Martial Law Not Emergency Re: # 7

wd40xps

What a sweeping statement you made like a self-conceited 'matarua-in-wardi':

"Reading the full text of Musharraf's address to the nation, one cannot help but sympathise with the president and give full support to him from saving Pakistan from its self destruction."

The nation - if there is any for Mush who is concerned only with the 'land of the pakies' - has been hearing too much of his harangues for 8 long years. What is the reality on the ground today? The people who had strived and sacrificed for the establishment of Pakistan had wanted it to be a sanctuary for the minorities, especially, the Muslims of India, where they could exercise their free will as an independent nation. But what has Mush done? He has deprived them even of their basic human rights now. This is sheer rape of the nation and its will enshrined in its Constitution which is the worst kind of terrorism. And above all, who is responsible for the conditions leading to emergency and who is being punished for that?

Martial Law Not Emergency Well done dear Khalid!

I think the phenomenon of Parvezism can all be symbolised in the term 'Mataruaism'.

What a coincidence! Three Pavezes have come together to form a 'Trio of Power' in Pakistan.

Incidentally,'Parvez' is the name of an anti-prophet ruler of Iran who is considered to be guilty of blasphemy like Salman Rushdi by the Mullah.

I had a peon by this name. One day when I called him by this name he retorted, "Sir, don't call me by this bloody name as I have changed my name to 'Mehboob'". I asked him why he did so. He said,"The Imam of our mosque told me that 'Parvez' was the name of an enemy of the Prophet and as such to be called by this name is sheer blasphemy".

What our Chowky Ulema say in this respect?