An Ode Called Amritsar
Amritsar and Lahore were called twin cities before partition and in the early part of 20th century, were of roughly the same size.
Posted by
drlokraj
Jul 16, 2008 09:14 am
nice article!Amritsar and Lahore were called twin cities before partition and in the early part of 20th century, were of roughly the same size.
Kashmir Liberated, Others Languish
Posted by
drlokraj
Mar 11, 2008 10:34 am
thanks bulleya #20
Kashmir Liberated, Others Languish
Posted by
drlokraj
Mar 9, 2008 04:46 am
is there any international law about the treatment of spies who get caught?
How did Hindus Become Vegetarians?
Posted by
drlokraj
Mar 2, 2008 12:25 pm
My understanding of 'hinduism' is very simplistic and helps me to understand the changing practices over time. This is a 'religion'if people must label it so; which has evolved over time and has been enriched by experiences, observations and wisdoms of earthly people and its very being and the code of practice has not been prescribed or dictated by God. Hence, being meat/beef eaters at some time and then becoming veetarians is perfectly understandable.
How did Hindus Become Vegetarians?
Posted by
drlokraj
Feb 29, 2008 01:46 pm
I fully support my friend kaalchakra here.What he described in #33, brought back many memories from my childhood too. May be slightly differently, but cow was always revered even in sikhism till the khalistanis came on the scene. We were taught that one of the five 'K's, the kirpaan (sword) was for the protection of cow and the poor (gaoo-ghareeb. Kooka movement started with closing down slaughter houses in Amritsar and Maler Kotla and as a result nearly 80 kooka sikhs were blown away with canon at Maler Kotla.
Abdul Latif Khalid (1944-2007)
Posted by
drlokraj
Dec 24, 2007 09:39 am
My condolences to you and your family. I am sure you will carry his good name forward.
On disowning Bhagat Singh and Other Vagaries
is he same Ahmad Salim, whom Paash had dedicated a long poem in 71-72?
Posted by
drlokraj
Oct 31, 2007 01:29 pm
dullabhatti,is he same Ahmad Salim, whom Paash had dedicated a long poem in 71-72?
On disowning Bhagat Singh and Other Vagaries
kaal, here is some part of it from man article on wikipedia, (not written by Rahul Sankritayan of course):
Persecution under the Sunga Pusyamitra
Pusyamitra Sunga (reigned 185 to 151 BCE) assassinated the last Mauryan emperor Brhadrata in 185 BCE, and subsequently founded the Sunga dynasty. From the mid 3rd century BC, under Ashoka, Buddhist proselytization had begun to spread beyond the subcontinent. Buddhist texts such as the Ashokavadana and Divyavadana, written about four centuries after his reign, they contain accounts of the persecution of Buddhists during his reign. They ascribe to him the razing of stupas and viharas built by Ashoka, the placement of a bounty of 100 dinaras on the heads of Buddhist monks and describe him as one who wanted to undo the work of Ashoka.[39]
Some historians have rejected Pushyamitra' s persecution of Buddhists and the traditional accounts are often described as exaggerated. The Asokavadana legend has been likened to a Buddhist version of Pusyamitra's attack of the Mauryas, reflecting the declining influence of Buddhism in the Sunga Imperial court.
Later Sunga kings were seen as amenable to Buddhism and as having contributed to the building of the stupa at Bharhut.[40]. The decline of Buddhism in India did not set in until the Gupta dynasty.
Posted by
drlokraj
Oct 31, 2007 09:39 am
Re: # 27kaal, here is some part of it from man article on wikipedia, (not written by Rahul Sankritayan of course):
Persecution under the Sunga Pusyamitra
Pusyamitra Sunga (reigned 185 to 151 BCE) assassinated the last Mauryan emperor Brhadrata in 185 BCE, and subsequently founded the Sunga dynasty. From the mid 3rd century BC, under Ashoka, Buddhist proselytization had begun to spread beyond the subcontinent. Buddhist texts such as the Ashokavadana and Divyavadana, written about four centuries after his reign, they contain accounts of the persecution of Buddhists during his reign. They ascribe to him the razing of stupas and viharas built by Ashoka, the placement of a bounty of 100 dinaras on the heads of Buddhist monks and describe him as one who wanted to undo the work of Ashoka.[39]
Some historians have rejected Pushyamitra' s persecution of Buddhists and the traditional accounts are often described as exaggerated. The Asokavadana legend has been likened to a Buddhist version of Pusyamitra's attack of the Mauryas, reflecting the declining influence of Buddhism in the Sunga Imperial court.
Later Sunga kings were seen as amenable to Buddhism and as having contributed to the building of the stupa at Bharhut.[40]. The decline of Buddhism in India did not set in until the Gupta dynasty.
On disowning Bhagat Singh and Other Vagaries
I havn't said that. I was responding to kabuliwala's comment about muslims being responsible for ousting of Budhism from India, though some people do claim that Budhist monastries were destoyed by hindus and monks were killed and many monks ran away to eastern countries along with some old budhist literature. Did Rahul Sankretayan not go to Tibet in search of those old budhist monuscripts?
Posted by
drlokraj
Oct 30, 2007 10:52 am
Re: # 22I havn't said that. I was responding to kabuliwala's comment about muslims being responsible for ousting of Budhism from India, though some people do claim that Budhist monastries were destoyed by hindus and monks were killed and many monks ran away to eastern countries along with some old budhist literature. Did Rahul Sankretayan not go to Tibet in search of those old budhist monuscripts?
On disowning Bhagat Singh and Other Vagaries
Budhism was dead long ago before the muslims set their feet on Indian soil and hindu renaissance by Shankar Acharya was responsible for this.
Posted by
drlokraj
Oct 30, 2007 12:14 am
Re: # 17Budhism was dead long ago before the muslims set their feet on Indian soil and hindu renaissance by Shankar Acharya was responsible for this.
On disowning Bhagat Singh and Other Vagaries
Posted by
drlokraj
Oct 29, 2007 11:33 am
kaal, just because Zia was heading the country, that too in a un-constitutional way, it does not mean that he represented what all people of Pakistan shared his view on the collective past.
Voice from Waziristan
good to see you on F P
Your article reminds of exactly similar situatin in Pujab(east) during Khalistani terror in 80s when lot of people, majprity hindus had to leave there own houses and business particularly from border areas of Amritsar and Gurdaspur to haryana or delhi. Most of the recruits into the khalistani fold were young men with pencnant for arms and sensation seeking. Many were just antisocial elements and the so called ideology had hardly anything to do with what they were doing. There was another phenomenon noted towards the fag end of that period that many so calld khalistanis were actually made to do abductions and take huge ransoms by some police officers and when they refused, they were killed in false encounters.
Another similarity in such 'movements' accross nations seems to be that they are almost always concentrated in border areas.
Hope,this is a passing phase and people start living normal life again.
Posted by
drlokraj
Oct 29, 2007 12:46 am
Hello Khalid, good to see you on F P
Your article reminds of exactly similar situatin in Pujab(east) during Khalistani terror in 80s when lot of people, majprity hindus had to leave there own houses and business particularly from border areas of Amritsar and Gurdaspur to haryana or delhi. Most of the recruits into the khalistani fold were young men with pencnant for arms and sensation seeking. Many were just antisocial elements and the so called ideology had hardly anything to do with what they were doing. There was another phenomenon noted towards the fag end of that period that many so calld khalistanis were actually made to do abductions and take huge ransoms by some police officers and when they refused, they were killed in false encounters.
Another similarity in such 'movements' accross nations seems to be that they are almost always concentrated in border areas.
Hope,this is a passing phase and people start living normal life again.
On disowning Bhagat Singh and Other Vagaries
"If you fire at your past with a pistol, the future will blow you out with a cannon"
I read whatever part of Shauqat Sardar's autobiography was published in Preetlari and was wondering why the publication was stopped midway.
Posted by
drlokraj
Oct 28, 2007 12:31 pm
just reproducing a Daghistani saying which I read in Rasul Hamzatov's 'Mera Daaghistan':"If you fire at your past with a pistol, the future will blow you out with a cannon"
I read whatever part of Shauqat Sardar's autobiography was published in Preetlari and was wondering why the publication was stopped midway.
Translation: Two Poems of Mirabai
Posted by
drlokraj
Oct 28, 2007 07:12 am
can you post the original versions a well?
Communists and the Making of Pakistan
well said dulla
its not just about the bloody revolution, its about saving lot of blood also.
UK and other European countries wouldn't have created welfare states without the threat of socialist revolution breathing on their necks.
US would not have dared to act like a mad dog it is now and done this to Iraq, had USSR been in the same position it was few deecades ago.
Posted by
drlokraj
Oct 25, 2007 10:14 pm
Re: # 104well said dulla
its not just about the bloody revolution, its about saving lot of blood also.
UK and other European countries wouldn't have created welfare states without the threat of socialist revolution breathing on their necks.
US would not have dared to act like a mad dog it is now and done this to Iraq, had USSR been in the same position it was few deecades ago.
Communists and the Making of Pakistan
kaal bhai, you can spend a life time in understanding those constructs to find out that they are infact not as monstrous as they sound to some or some of the communists have made them look like.
I can reccommend few books, which can help you:
1. A series of Introductory booklets on the ideology by Shiv Verma (who was Bhagat Singh's close ally)
2. Roots of Historical Materialism by Bhag Singh MA
3. History, Mythology and Historical Materialism by Bhag Singh Sajjan
This should be enough to start with, but the problem s that you may have to get these books from India and possibly learn Punjabi as well as the last book was published only in Punjabi.
Let me tell you something intersting about the no.3 book, which was also called 'Yellow Book' whwen published in 1980s and was written by one of the most learned comrades from Punjab who was contemporary of HS Surjeet but was never interested in any post etc. He spent his entire life like our Rishis of gthe old tradition, managed his diabetes andother physical problems on his own with ayurved or homeopathy. He conducted party schools and taught the basic philosophy of communism. His book dealt with the evolution of the ideology throughout Indian mythology and history. Interestingly, his own party, for which he spent his whole life, banned the book, You may still get it from some old CPM comrade who is not affected by the petty politics.
Posted by
drlokraj
Oct 25, 2007 10:04 pm
Re: # 91kaal bhai, you can spend a life time in understanding those constructs to find out that they are infact not as monstrous as they sound to some or some of the communists have made them look like.
I can reccommend few books, which can help you:
1. A series of Introductory booklets on the ideology by Shiv Verma (who was Bhagat Singh's close ally)
2. Roots of Historical Materialism by Bhag Singh MA
3. History, Mythology and Historical Materialism by Bhag Singh Sajjan
This should be enough to start with, but the problem s that you may have to get these books from India and possibly learn Punjabi as well as the last book was published only in Punjabi.
Let me tell you something intersting about the no.3 book, which was also called 'Yellow Book' whwen published in 1980s and was written by one of the most learned comrades from Punjab who was contemporary of HS Surjeet but was never interested in any post etc. He spent his entire life like our Rishis of gthe old tradition, managed his diabetes andother physical problems on his own with ayurved or homeopathy. He conducted party schools and taught the basic philosophy of communism. His book dealt with the evolution of the ideology throughout Indian mythology and history. Interestingly, his own party, for which he spent his whole life, banned the book, You may still get it from some old CPM comrade who is not affected by the petty politics.
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