Bhutto’s Judicial Murder Revisited Re: # 94

According to zeena of Hazara, Benazir (in her 20s sexiness) and ZAB (not her real father) were developing romantic liasons during BB's last visits in Pindi jail. All of this was overheard by the guard who told all this one night to zeena's cow nine months before zeena was born...

BB & ZAB also mocked out aloud how slave-mentality seeps into a colonized people who feel significant only by associating with and fighting over important people..

After that they made out, while zeena's father masturbated...

The Irreverent Hero Islam Forgot To clear up jayp's confusion, it is important to remember that the reference of 'India' and 'indian' is misleading in this context. 'Hindustani' would be more appropriate reference for the world breathing in the urdu versions of Amir Hamza stories. This would not be a geographical locus but a lingo-emotional heritage spread out IN PART between generations in Central Asia, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran.

Of course, Dalrymple cannot be trusted with his assertions about the Mughal court world being 'nuanced' in the stories because there is nothing of the sort going on. People who can vouch for that are the kids who grew up reading these stories and in the opinion of one, the world of zanbeel and jaadoogar and jinn was not of this world...

Makli 'Makli is believed to be the burial place of more than 125,000 saints or Sufis'

Sumera sweetpea,

What does it matter if the 125,000 buried there were saints or bastards. How does a dead saint different than a dead pimp?

Student Politics in Pakistan: A Profile it takes a special kind of mediocrity to tout student politics as worth celebration

Clarity Is this another dig on our neembu?

Either way, nicely done with elements of Thurber's Walter Mitty..

Saawariya Targets Eternal Love 'And a personal favorite of mine, Raj Kapoor, whose grandchildren make their debut in this film, it seems that Sawariya may just be extending on one of the richest and longest legacys of the South Asian film industry today.'

Performers employed from the same family as the has-beens, (such as daughters, sons etc) is the surest sign of mediocrity keeping an 'industry alive' in a similar fashion as politicians breaking in their children into the game and monarchy and aristrocracy living up to their cliques.

Idiots like the author of this article, lap up nonsense like this for the same reason as children like princes and princesses in their lives.

Independence Thinker The real shame is that echoboom has joined the 'half-kanjars' in bad mouthing gandhi, while kaal has hit it on the head that 'our elders recognized gandhi's eccentricities as not so dissimilar as their own'.

This article is for the likes of arjun and manto.. arjun for his achHoot, anglo-indian backward class inferiority complex and manto is the neo-painDu, faith-hopping, kammi-kameen who would sell his mother to appear MAADREN.

Independence Thinker Since none of the idiots below are capable of critiquing the artilcle, kaka will attempt it..

The world-view that Dalrymple tries to invite the reader to.. in order to 'oddify' Gandhi.. is telling. To see Gandhi as an eccentric, you have to put yourself in the shoes of a 'normal' person, kind of the 'half-kanjar' that arjun here purports to be. Someone who can easily be shamed by the 'weirdness' and 'achHoot' behaviour of his forefathers..

But before that, take a look at the 2nd paragraph: So the British were DEEPLY rooted, huh? And they were rooted RIGHT FROM THE TIME of the founding of some company in Liverpool? And then Shakespeare? As You Like It?? Bill, you are one to talk about wet dreams!

And the British left peacefully?? Oh, he meant no british lives were lost. Well maybe the Americans too should have distracted Iranians with border diputes, in order to avoid the hostage crisis..

And so preacheth Bill.. of the love between the lords and the aristrocrat brahmins. And the idiot that Dalrymple is, he confuses that as the 'two sides', damn the masses who Nehru and Edwina would have preferred as slave-servants.

'Personal weirdness', 'unusual practices'.. what exactly is the charge here? That Gandhi was more real than the WEIRD fantasy that everyone conjured up? Should we hang the real Gandhi, for prancing around in Bill's imaginations?

Let's list the charges: many dietary fads, saline enemas, testing his self-control (with nubile young women as opposed to ugly old transistor). With no sense of smell, he ventured into equating human excrement with cow excrement.. and simple man as he was, he thought out aloud about it to the press. No sense of properness, oh the poor weirdo!

Readers associated with medical professions probably remember the times they were uneasy talking about sex, touching genitals even dead bodies. But after having grown up, you do talk to your mother about breast cancer and encourage describing your private ailment as descriptively as you can. This may seem like a blatant defense of all weirdness that was Gandhi, but a TRULY ENLIGHTENED person does venture into every 'orifice of the universe' and is not exactly beholden to the standards of high schoolers.

The scholarship on combining exoteric Christian beliefs and Indic religious practises, kaka will leave alone for now..

No matter what Gandhi did think of himself, would it be too far fetched to describe him as 'the pre-ordained and potentially divine world saviour whose coming was implicit in the 'Eastern' religious writings to which so many of his English acquaintances had turned.. [He came to believe that] it was his destiny to lead a troubled world along the path of salvation'? Do we like humilty or do we prefer (perceived) reality?

And one more idiotic BS that sophists typically indulge in.. So Gandhi was somehow associated (agent??) with this ECU (Esoteric Christian Union). So now forget Gandhi and lets concentrate on the founders and their shenanigans and devote another paragraph on their weirdness and crimes in an essay about Gandhi. Bravo! Idiot or poor propagandist, Bill take your pick.

And the 'bizarre beliefs' of preventive medicine and 'bringing oneself into the harmony of natural forces' is as incriminating the early attempts of aviation pioneers to fly without a permit. You can shame teenagers with this 'damning rhetoric', or maybe fellow modern idiots.

Take a look at the note produced about the sick village boy. Oh, weird, weird, weird. Gandhi, the Bapu of the nation acting so non-scientifically..!

The silliest (and most telling of Dalrymple's mindset) statements are the most infuriarating too. Gandhi's 'extreme eccentricity did not stop him from being both a shrewd tactician and a major moral force'. So Bill knows the formula for being a moral force etc, and it involves no eccentricites. But Bill, the empirical evidence suggests that you need to think outside the box, to stay significant.

In summary, Dalrymple seems to be appealing to a townhall mob of 'normal' idiots who cringe at the thought of half-nakedness, no sense of smell, a man slightly ahead or behind times.. and anyone who does see the idiocy of it all usually sits quietly on the back benches.

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? 'Aryans pushing down south' is a commendable attempt. Even so, there is no reason to discount that some characters had tails or resembled animals. If animals can look like animals without much effort, how hard could it be for others?

You have to exclude 'God' when you interact with kaka. Apparently, you can't focus and attempt to inject ideas like god, religion, faith and hinduism in response to simple quieries about states of affair a few thousand years ago in certain geographical areas.

A simple textual analysis of Indic texts would yield a whole lot more about the states of affairs in terms of human agencies and power dynamics THAN all the gobblegook of symbolism and religion jargon. For example, you can wax on all the symbolism in the sacrifice of Punjabi/Pathaan Virgins wearing Ninja outfits, ascending to Heavens from a Red Temple at the foothills of the Top of the World, but the actual state of affairs is.. well it is extremely mundane.

Same with 911.. The angels stomped on the roofs of the towers to bring down what, sans angels, could have been just buildings with large holes. Well the number 19 was at work there.. so it could't have been all that mundane.

The point is even with all the waxed on symbolism, there was still a nature of reality which can still be described in a few paragraphs. Too bad you have no clue how to access that..

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? Aesop has a 'crow' with a dilemma to drink out of a bottle because a crow cannot lift a bottle like a monkey and guzzle away. Same with the 'vixen and grapes' story because vixens are supposed to be smart.

Orwell has ambitious pigs, 'soldier' dogs, an indifferent cat and a cynical donkey in Animal Farm, conversing with each other to convey a political message. If you ask kaka what was Orwell's message, kaka could do that in a simple paragraph involving words like Russian Revolution and Communism.

Why is Hanuman depicted as having a monkey face and a tail? A simple answer would be because he had these attributes. A 'truer' answer would use no more than a paragraph about a message.

Ganesh's elephant head.. What is the teaching encapsulated in that head?

Again, kaka is faithless and has simple questions.

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? '#467 Posted by KaalChakra on July 31, 2007 9:33:12 am

Those descriptions are needed'

kaal,

YOU said the word 'NEEDED'. That's why the question why 'needed'.

The key is to not to sprinkle too much 'wisdom' but to focus on the question asked. Remember kaka's background.. kaka wasn't born yesterday. Most of his questions are styled as, 'why do you think..'

Again..

Why do YOU think the monkey description is used if no monkey man in the flesh existed.

See if you can explain this without mentioning sattar..

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? kaal,

Why do you think this description of 'monkey' was 'needed' in the religious books?

What does 'faith' in this 'non-monkey' individual mean? Faith that this guy existed? Faith that this guy is significant?

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? #463

Abay, everyone knows about the 'Hazrat' Abu Sufwan testimony. It is probabaly a fabrication. Anyways, you don't have to spell out the most basic references.

While the Quran was being collected, there was little reason to believe Mohammad as a nabi; during Mirza's lifetime there wasn't sufficient proof and now kaka has to die before any mass balieving in kaka happens *sniff*. BTW, is there a cap on the prophethood, or does kaka still have a chance?

kaal,

Here's your chance to dazzle:

1. Was there, at any point in history, a half monkey, half not-monkey individual in the flesh?

2. What can this individual do for us?

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? sattar,

kaka is hearing you say that it is really a mystery why anyone would think of Mirza as a prophet before all the prophecies/parallels came to pass (the same mystery should apply to kaka's believers). The gospels resolve this problem ridiculously by the 'transfiguraton' event. The booming voice from up above could have said ANYTHING about Jesus, but thankfully, it spoke to the concerns of anyone who was wondering what to make of this miracle worker.

With that in mind, (1) what did Mirza say about people who died after hearing this message, not accepting him as a prophet, like Mohammadi Begum's father did. Actually that fellow's death should be seen as a fulfilled prophecy meant to convince others (such as Mohammadi Begum's husband) that Allah was dead serious about letting peepz know about Mirza's authenticity. However, the poor fellow who died proving Mirza right, what was Mirza's informed opinion about his salvation? Here's another parallel for you to ponder: Mohammadi Begum's father was as important to Mirza's claim as was Judas was to the whole Jesus drama: they both were actors pushing the plot which was meant to be.

(2) What is your opinion of people's SALVATION not accepting Mirza as a prophet even after all the evidence presented until 2007? How about someone who lived the tareeqiyat of Mohammad (Maududi or Israar Ahmed) while disparaging Mirza? Don't get too distracted. The keywords are: YOUR OPINION, REGULAR MUSLIMS, THEIR SALVATION.

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? Good work sattar!

It seems that once the roadblock of 'prophethood sealant' has been cleared, onlookers need only verify the honesty and integrity of the claimant and then decide accordingly. You must know that that should not be enough.

Suppose, the 'prophethood sealant' roadblock was not cleared even in Mirza's mind and maybe some Ahmedi (as opposed to the hard core Qadiyaani) do believe that Mirza is not a nabi (with all the bells and whistles of a full-fledged nabi). And with all the good work that Mirza did prior to his 'big premier', he still has had to have some 'light shining upon him' from the beyond in order to be accepted as more than 'just another brilliant Islamic scholar'. Do you get kaka's drift?

From another angle.. now that the 'prophethood sealant' has been removed from YOUR and most of the Qadiyanis' minds, what stops you from accepting that kaka is a prophet? Sure, you will look up kaka's felony record but what else? kaka has these dreams.. do you wanna know the content? kaka also loves dogs and upholds the truth regardless of ethnicity, gender or nationality? Please say this is not enough or KAKA IS GOING ALL OUT TO PREACH!!

Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia? sattar,

Since you laid your cards up front, kaka is pouring grains of salt all over your posts to make 'em palatable:). Mashalllah, you are doing a great job articulating what makes sense to you without resorting to the Sword of Certainty. Ever since kaka's irtidaad (rejection of traditional metaphysics), kaka himself has resorted to the participation of extra-terresterials in the shapes of Zeus, Apollo, Krishna et al to fill the 'god-shaped hole'. So don't worry too much about how it all doesn't make sense..

The second part of question #3 in 431 was meant to bring the focus back to what it means to accept someone as a prophet by someone who did not live on through 1947-74. All the 'derived' parallels between ibn Muryum and Mirza notwithstanding (since it would take 1947/1974 for events to shape up to support Mirza's contention), kaka is interested in what a person not too attached with khatm-e-nabuvvat dogma (and listening to Mirza teaching in person), should accept Mirza as a significant man from Allah (it seems that the only criteria for prophethood is to prove that Mohammad was not the last one.. and as soon as you proved that.. presto!, the smart guy who proved it is the new prophet WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY NOT WHAT YOU WOULD CONTEND).

What about kaka's claim to prophecy? Is one of the drawbacks that kaka was not born 1400 years after Mirza and talks in third person to blend in with the morons?