Anti-Americanism in Pakistan and the Taliban Menace #39 hamidm2

[..... eklavya is a true hindoo nationalist who wants the pakistani people to destroy themselves - that is why he is always encouraging the lunatic fringe of the crazy paki society .... he is like the man who stands on the street encouraging the suicidal fool to jump ......i wouldn't be surprised if he was on thackery's payroll ..... ]

hamidm,

The fringe might be lunatic, but the rest of the society, while not lunatic, is infected with Islam, and acts as the breeders of future lunatics that keep popping up here and there from WITHIN the non-lunatic mainstream.

Therein lies the problem.

Over the centuries some Muslims have struggled to get out of the "system". Maybe Ahmediism is a way out. Or that Persian Bahai thing. While all are equally idiotic, at least these are less violent, and less dangerous alternatives.

Anti-Americanism in Pakistan and the Taliban Menace #38 chaltahai

[he means to say, there are actually minorities in India of note. not a random traffic cop sardar...actually never mind..he is not a traffic cop no longer :) ]

I realize that he is possibly being sarcastic. but my point was that sarcasm is only effective when people get it. If they don't, then what you are saying is being construed as the literal truth - and has the same effect as if you are NOT being sarcastic.

So therefore, he is assisting in propagating a lie. No matter what his motivation might be. He should be smart enough to realize this.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation #936 TOLKININ

[Ajeya your bet is wrong .i just returned back co incidently .]

Let's see if you survive to complete the debate.

[There is religion wise reatriction Can a dalit marry Brahmin?]

You are trying to miss the point. A dalit not being able to marry a brahmin has NOTHING to do with preventing people from leaving a religion. So it is not a relevant comparison. However, if you are a Dalistan.org fanatic, then all roads lead to this argument.

Also, this custom is the same for men AND women. For Muslims it is not. BECAUSE Islam is trying to PREVENT conversion to another religion.

In Hinduism the motivation is something like social injustice WITHIN the religion. In Islam, it is trying to GROW the religion, and PREVENT anyone from leaving the religion.

There lies the difference.

But of course, you'll never get this. Muslims have been brainwashed from birth.

[Can a brahmin woman marry lower caste Man ?]

It is interesting - that as a lower caste man you posed this question instead of "Can a Brahmin man marry a lower-caste woman?". Shows your true Dalistan.org colours.

[If a Hindu male wants to marry Muslim Girl he can in multi cultural country like in India.]

He can, but he will live in constant threat to his life. Because of this ever-present threat from the adherents of the "religion of peace", the Hindu man almost always converts to Islam, in India.

Anti-Americanism in Pakistan and the Taliban Menace #32 Eklavya

[Speaking of minorities, SupersizeMe, ignoring all advese propaganda, Islamic system provides among the best environments for them (not sure which would be better).
If you feel apologetic, you should compare minorities in Pakistan, with say, minorities in India.]

This is why I say that a lot of times, instead of using a clever choice of words to get your point across, you are actually being two-faced.

So tell me, WHY do you think that minorities are better treated in Pakiland as compared to India.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation #931 by Eklavya

And further, the reason I feel optimistic is because of the internet. The nemesis of any kind of totalitarian thought is open discussion and dissent. Totalitarian thought requires "submission" - complete and total obedience. With dissent punished by measures that we have seen for 1400 years. The internet allows for a platform where people can dissect the various evils of Islam without the adherents of this peaceful religion trying to hack them to pieces (the other 80% of the adherents of this peaceful religion usually cheer from the sidelines).

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation #931 by Eklavya

Completely agree. Except that I think (or rather hope) that humanity, or the non-Islamic interpretation of it, will prevail in the end. Maybe I am being irrationally sentimental. It is true that listening to Indians, Americans, Europeans etc. around me, I see little hope of that. But then hope springs eternal in the "human" breast.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation #928 TOLKININ

[DM sb I undersand you point from past .But isnt there is similar restriction among practicing Hindu not be able to marry Any one .]

No there is not. Also, the rules are the same for men and women. In Islam it is different rules for men and women - to prevent anyone from converting OUT of the "religion".

I can bet that at this point of the discussion, like all good muslims, you will quietly disappear, because you realize that are wrong, but as a Muslim, cannot admit it.

Nawaz Sharif’s Moment of Truth #52 by pappu

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Nawaz Sharif’s Moment of Truth Ummm...sorry to interrupt this learned conversation amongst Muslims. But there will NEVER be any true democracy in any Islamic-majority country for any length of time.

People who are used to "submitting" can never truly be mentally free.

Thank you.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation re: tahmed's Islamic Defense # 983563

Subject: The Godhra Riots

tahmed: ...two wrongs don't make a right...you hindus are the worst...blah blah blah....

hindu: um..so what about muhammad beheading the 700 civilians?

tahmed: I have a VERY good answer to this question. However, because it's OBVIOUS that you are bigoted, irrational, and have absolutely NO logic, therefore you are not even worth answering......So there!!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation RE: tahmed32

I cannot find the interact here, but in an earlier interact Tahmed was explaining (as he often does) how Islam was a revolutionary idea of a casteless society yada yada yada...

This is a theme much loved by Islamic apologists all over the world. With the overwhelming preponderance of the evidence weighed against Islam - whether it is muhammad's character, or actual deeds, or whether it is the actual writings of the hadiths and the koran, or whether it is the history of blood and gore and violence right from the time muhammad came into power until the present day, Islamic apologists are always struggling with an impossible task. But with the whole casteless thingy, Islamists feel that they have a winning argument, if not against Christianity or Buddhism etc., then at least against Hinduism.

Alas, here too the Islamists have their work cut out for them. When muhammad was tricking the illiterate bedouins with his "revelations" of recycled Abrahamic mumbo-jumbo, the population of Saudi Arabia was minisclule compared to the size of its huge barren desertlands, and the population was homogeneous. The only differences were of tribes, and religions, with the notable exception of slaves, who were the lowest of the low on the social ladder.

And boy, did mo exploit these differences! There were two kinds of people - us and them. And they were to be treated far worse than the corrupted caste system ever treated the "untouchables". And as for slaves - they were to be raped at will, or sold like cattle - men, women, children - it didn't matter who. And he not only set it down in his manual, he also led by example.

That makes it even more sickening to hear the Islamists tout Islam as a religion of equality.

Your bullshit will not be bought by any intelligent people, tahmed, IF the facts were discussed out in the open, and theworld population was not threated with murder and mayhem by the goons of the "reliogion of peace".

Luckily, the internet has arrived, and this anonymity will allow for the facts to be discussed, and will hopefully eventually lead to the death of the cult of Islam.

Maybe Ahmedism is the option that will enable "Muslims" to escape the curse of muhammad, and start following a more benign "prophet". While it is as much of bullshit as Islam, at least the example of this new "prophet" will be of a less inhuman person.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation #260 aanandk

[your post smacks of sarcasm. if you are going to approach any topic with cynicism and sarcasm you are never going to discover anything that is of value.]

This is why I was expecting you to impart the knowledge about the Abrahamic philosophies to me, but you have made a fairly good attempt at trying to avoid doing that.

[but the truth is that billions of people (more than 60% of humanity) follow the abrahamic religions. perhaps you are suggesting that 60% of humanity is enslaved mentally and psychologically? that they were all forced to convert?]

People "follow" whatever religion they are born into. Christians in America today are Christians not because they were "forced to convert", but because they were born into a tradition. Inquisitive and thoughtful Westerners are inevitably drawn towards Hindu philosphy.

[that they are following a faith devoid of philosophy?]

Yes.

[that philosophy is the sole property of our indic faiths?]

Hindu philosophy is not faith-based.

[why don't you tell me how many people have been perennially suppressed in the name of hinduism for centuries? how many dalits continue to get lynched? perhaps this is not "terrorism" to you, but it is terrorism to people like me.]

Ah! Another Dalitstan.org character. At Chowk, they keep coming out of the woodwork.

[all religions and belief systems have given birth to injustice, inequity and even murderers.]

But not all have given birth to philosophies.

[in sanskrit, there is a saying about "mandukas in the well"]

Being a non-kupa-manduka, maybe you can then stop trying to avoid answering my question in the first place? Go ahead, answer my question. Here's a bet - you'll keep trying to avoid answering. For obvious reasons.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation #255 aanandk

aanandk,

It is simply wonderful to see people like yourself who, being the true intellectuals they are, are always eager to embrace the idea that everyone and everything is equally good. Because of people like you, we can all get along (even if a few people will get killed by terrorists now and then - but then we should not be assigning blame and judging people). Because of people like you, generations down the road can revel at the sight of the spotted owl.

That being said, I've always wanted someone to explain to me a few elements of this Islamic philosophy that you speak about so eloquently. I personally have laboriously read through volumes of the stuff. But I have never been able to extract any philosophy out of it.

I would REALLY appreciate it if you could briefly expound on the few philosophical ideas propounded in the Koran, and if possible, the other Abrahamic religious texts as well.

Thanking you in advance.

PPP Isn’t Convinced! #37 Urstruly

[Why people of Pakistan are still unable to break the shackles & chains of East India Company and its Najaiz aulad]

If it does break those chains, it will run right into the open arms of the mullas.

I don't think I've mentioned this before (that's supposed to be a joke, btw). So let me say this: NO MUSLIM COUNTRY WILL EVER BECOME A TRUE DEMOCRACY. LOOK AT PAKISTAN. LOOK AT BANGLADESH. LOOK AT INDIA. SAME STARTING POINT, SHARED HERITAGE - BUT VASTLY DIFFERENT RESULTS.

The reason for this? Islam, of course.

Race to the Finish re: tahmed

[Read the World Bank report on relative ratings of India and Pakistan wrt to providing favorable conditions for private investment...]

It is well known that in spite of the recent improvements in the office-raj culture in the Indian Government, starting up a business in India is hard because of the Governmental regulations, and running it is harder due to infrastructural issues. Pakiland on the other hand, bends over and drops its pants for any and all investors, especially from the infidel lands. BUT THE PRIVATE COMPANIES STILL CHOOSE TO INVEST IN INDIA MASSIVELY COMPARED TO PAKILAND.

Now why is that?

I think we all know why.

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Race to the Finish #518 tahir

[We can't be providers of toilet-paper to such men... ]

But you sure are functioning as one...

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