The ‘shoey’ Side of Politics Hindu worker lynched for ‘blasphemy’

Posted by Taimur Sikander

Jagdeesh Kumar, 22, was tortured to death by his co-workers in a leather garment factory in Karachi on Tuesday. According to Dawn, a discussion about religion among the co-workers became heated and the victim allegedly made some blasphemous remarks about Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him). This reportedly enraged the workers, who lynched Kumar until he succumbed to his injuries. When police arrived at the scene, they prevented the angry mob from burning the body. Family members and close friends, however, refuse to believe the official version of the story, and have cited personal feuds as the cause of death.

A senior police officer said they would register a case only after an autopsy report and further investigations. And so far none of the co-workers present on the scene have been taken into custody. “Jagdeesh was a simple man who knew little about religion. He had come to Karachi from Mirpurkhas to earn a living and not to indulge in debates over religion. And it is easy to kill a member of the minority community and then accuse him of uttering blasphemous remarks. And that is why there is a need for a proper and thorough investigation,” Raju, the brother-in-law of the victim, said.

Human rights groups have for long argued that the violence and discrimination against minority groups often go unpunished and seldom make it to the news. Police inaction in this case is a perfect example of that fact. Whether the factory workers killed Jagdeesh for personal reasons and brought in the raging issue of ‘blasphemy’ into the picture as a cover up remains a mystery. But whatever the reason, it will be interesting to see how the police handles the issue and how long they actually pursue the case. It is essential for the sake of Jagdeesh’s family and the harmony of Pakistan, however, that the killers are brought to justice and convicted.

The ‘shoey’ Side of Politics

How to End Politics of Hate and Intolerance #205 izuber

[No actually I take pride in that very much and if you dont know how to and where at to tie your dhoti then stop running your filthy mouth about subjects that you and your kind will never understand.]

I doubt very much if you are more intelligent than me, and this is such a complex issue that I cannot understand. The issue is very simple. An uneducated bedouin hoodwinked other unwashed bedouins with some mumbo-jumbo about chatting with a winged creature in a cave. And since the Old Testament and the New Testament are too large to memorize at once, he had "revelations" only from time to time. He also had convenient revelations to save his a$$ from trouble - like when his wives threatened to go public about his spending too much time with the white egyptian slave Maria.
It is not very complicated that being a complete pervert, he had the hots for a poor little girl when she was 6. And being a monster, he beheaded 700 unarmed civilians.

Strong resemblences with Pol Pot, except Pol Pot did not have the hots for little kids.

About the "tying the dhoti" bit. I think we showed you guys how to tie the dhoti on December 16, 1971. Just in case you have forgotten, more lessons will be imparted.

How to End Politics of Hate and Intolerance Read the following. And then imagine if 5 hindu adults had raped a 13-year-old Muslim girl in Lahore or Islamabad or anywhere else in a Muslim country.

http://www.mid-day.com/web/guest/news/mumbai/article?_EXT_5_articleI d=1086772&_EXT_5_groupId=14

13-year-old allegedly gangraped for over a year
Author: Ketan Rang Date: 13 Apr 2008


By Ketan Ranga

Swati Sonavne (name changed), mother of 13-year-old Sunita Sonavne (name changed) was shocked when doctors at a private hospital in Ghatkopar on Thursday told her that Sunita was five months pregnant. When she questioned Sunita, she was told that she had been raped multiple times by five men for the last one and a half year.

The five men had warned her to not to talk about it to anyone or they would harm her and also defame her and her parents’ image. Her mother took her to Ghatkopar police station and filed a complaint on Friday. The police have also arrested four of the five accused while one is absconding.

Sunita told her mother that the five men were Allah Rakha Sayyed (20), Munir Shaikh (19), both her school mates, Liyakat Khan (30), son of the landlord in whose house the Sonavnes live and Shaukhat Ali Shaikh (24) and Munna Sayyed, staying in their locality. The five had been allegedly raping her since November 2006. The five people were everyday visitors to their home. Sunita identified the men in front of the police.

Sunita’s mother took her to the hospital after she noticed some changes in her body. Also, Swati had been complaining of stomach pain. When she was taken for a medical checkup, the doctors told her mother that she was five months pregnant.

The men allegedly had sexual relations with her when her parents went out for work. Said F Pawar, police inspector at Ghatkopar police station, “We have registered a gangrape case against five men. We have arrested four men, while Munna is still wanted.”

NEVER listen to liberals. Remember - Daniel Pearl was a liberal.

How to End Politics of Hate and Intolerance #199 izuber

So you avoided answering post# 197.

Just a coincidence, I'm sure. :-)

How to End Politics of Hate and Intolerance #195 izuber

[If this is an effort on anyone's part to influence me away from my faith that is absurd and an attempt in vain.]

Yes. Everyone is dying to steal you away from your "faith" to swell their own ranks.

God knows how people get the way you muslims do. I guess all Abrahamic religions are this way. Perfect for tribal instincts that go so well with the reptilian part of the brain.

How to End Politics of Hate and Intolerance #195 izuber

[To sum it up, I denounce violence and murder of any human equally, be the victim of my faith or any other faith, regardless.]

So do you denounce the murder by beheading of 700 UNARMED civilians by mohammad? And the selling of their HELPLESS and INNOCENT women and CHILDREN into slavery?

I guess you don't? Eh?

See how trying to be logical contradicts your long-held beliefs that are based on blind faith?

How to End Politics of Hate and Intolerance Re: misc. by izuber

Maybe the following will penetrate your brain. Maybe it won't. Brainwashing from birth is difficult to eradicate.

All I can say is - try to read this as a logical exercise, if nothing else. And see what you get.

Of course, I do not expect any logical thinking from you or any faithful muslim. Unquestioning submission precludes any independent thinking that might make the faithful change their mind about "submitting".

http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/montazeri.htm

How to End Politics of Hate and Intolerance #177 mohar11

[OK Pakis, how are things today? How many of you got killed today?... and what's the breakup by MQM, Army, Jihadis, hellfires...? ]

Typical hate-speech from an Indian "hinud". And no wonder, either, with all that brainwashing from the anti-Islam and anti-Pakistani rhetoric in Indian schoolbooks that have been injected by the so-called "secular" Indian Government. Why is it so hard for you "hinuds" to see that inspite of all the blood and gore that went on in Muhammad's times, and also for the last 1400,in every Islamic country, or countries controlled by Islamists, Islam is IN REALITY a religion of peace. Okay, maybe there are calls to kill the infidels - but that's only applicable SOMETIMES. Maybe there's the law of taxing the hell out of "Dhimmis", but LOOK - it's not followed anymore, especially because it would be too difficult to follow it in today's day and age. Maybe there's the permission to rape war-booty women, But that was because women didn't mind being raped back in those days. And everyone did it - so what's the big deal.

I could go on, but what's the point? It's going to fall on deaf ears. You hinuds have your ears permanently sealed, and your brains permanently altered by the RSS, VHP and Shiv Sena. Also the BJP.

And kindly leave Muslims to kill in peace. All this killing is really a 1400-year aberration. In REALITY, Islam is a religion of peace. Praise be to allah! Alla-hoo!

How to End Politics of Hate and Intolerance How to End the Politics of Hate and Intolerance?

Get rid of (or radically alter) the guiding principles of the cult of Islam.

That'll do it.


'Dozens hurt' in Dhaka protests


Hundreds of people campaigning for Islamic rule in Bangladesh have clashed with police over a new policy advocating more rights for women.

Police used teargas and batons to break up the protests after members of the Islamic Constitution Movement (ICM) threw rocks in the capital, Dhaka.

Mokarram Hossain of Dhaka Metropolitan Police said there were more than 500 protesters and dozens were hurt.

Protesters had ignored a ban on such gatherings under a state of emergency.

It was imposed by an army-backed interim administration which took power in January last year.

Equal inheritance

Activists were angered by media reports of a draft law that gives equal inheritance rights to men and women.

It is understood that the policy would not be legally binding but would act as a guideline for the next parliament to use in forming legislation.

Parliamentary elections are expected to take place at the end of this year.

Mr Hossain said the clashes erupted during a demonstration following Friday prayers in front of the national mosque.

He said about 300 police officials were deployed around the mosque as hundreds of people from various Islamic groups took part in the protests.

Islamic guidelines

The ICM, which is one of a number of groups campaigning for Sharia-based laws in Bangladesh, said the proposed women's rights law was against a Koranic law of inheritance.

Mohammad Ismail, a protester, said: "We are not against women's rights, but it has to be according to the guidelines of Islam."

And Kawser Ahmed, who was also protesting, said: "The draft that the government prepared is totally anti-Islamic. We will not allow it to be passed."

Other groups who joined the protests included the Ahkame Sharia Hefazat Committee, backed by the country's biggest Islamic party, Jamaat-e-Islami.

Bangladesh, which is a Muslim-majority nation with a population of about 150 million people, adheres to a secular constitution, although the state religion is Islam.

Nearly 50 people were hurt on Thursday when members of the Khelafat Majlis group clashed with police in the capital over the same issue.

Surviving Musharraf\'s Exit? #488 Eklavya

[ajay, I don't know how one can do justice to, or even engage in any constructive dialogue with, others begining with the view that everyone else is a bonehead, or evil, or wrong, just because they don't see the world your way...]

See, it's no point sermonizing to me in generalities that are not based on facts. I could say the same thing back to you, and it would not amount to much either.

I understand your predicament. I have a solution for you. Try not to "do justice to, or even engage in any constructive dialogue with, others begining with the view that everyone else is a bonehead, or evil, or wrong, just because they don't see the world your way". Avoid such people. Don't respond to their posts.

I know I avoid such people like the plague.

Try doing that. But if people are stating FACTS, or are ATTEMPTING to produce some kind of flawed(no doubt) logic, then point out their logical errors from your vantage point of unerring logic.

I have noticed that you conveniently avoid direct questions when you are caught in obvious untruths(I'm being polite here). Like when you were making up stories about "low-caste" people "preparing themselves" and being denied being "appointed" a "Shankaracharya".

I have always disliked people who pretend to be something they are not.

Surviving Musharraf\'s Exit? #482 tahmed32

[#481 ajeya: "Why are Paki Muslims boneheaded? Because they believe in "democracy" in an Islamic country."

Oh no. I must be smart and realize that we are doomed to have a dictatorship in Pakistan. Hindus like you are so clever!! ]

Being Paki, you completely missed the point. You can have any form of government, but you cannot call it "democratic" as long as it is Islamic.

You are discriminating against people of other religions who DO NOT WANT their country to be called "Islamic".

Let's see if you understand THIS time.

Surviving Musharraf\'s Exit? #455 CreateAlpha

You have to understand one thing about Kaalchakra/Ekalavya. He first looks up the definition for "communal" on www.dictionary.com:

com·mu·nal

Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuh-myoon-l, kom-yuh-nl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective

1. used or shared in common by everyone in a group: a communal jug of wine.
2. of, by, or belonging to the people of a community; shared or participated in by the public: communal land; Building the playground was a communal project.
3. pertaining to a commune or a community: communal life.
4. engaged in by or involving two or more communities: communal conflict.

He has picked definition number 4 for his purpose. His point is that in Pakistan, Hindus have been virtually eliminated, so the question of "two or more communities" or communalism, doesn't arise. In India, with a Hindu majority, because minorities are thriving, therefore there is the question of "two or more communities" or communalism.

The boneheaded(see note at the end) Pakis don't see realize this. They are happy to see what they percieve as Hindu-bashing. Hindus on this forum are incensed and keep asking him for a justification. And Kaalchakra/Ekalavya simply sits back and enjoys the whole thing. It validates his belief that, although a "low-caste" hindu, he can hang in there with the "upper-caste" hindus, and even fool them with his "intellectual" double entrendes. This has led to some, like Alephnull, to declare him a "supreme teacher" or the "great master" who keeps posing zen-like questions to all who seek knowledge from "kaalchakra".

The whole thing is very impressive. Except, when pursued by some incensed Paki who has a rare moment of clarity and starts breathing down his neck. That's when Kaalchakra "compromises", and fully agrees with the Paki. To not do so would mean he would be deprived of his favorite pastime. So he does a "Advani praising Jinnah in Pakiland" impersonation for a few posts, and then comes back another day to resume his hobby.

N.B. Why are Paki Muslims boneheaded? Because they believe in "democracy" in an Islamic country.

Surviving Musharraf\'s Exit? #321 bubba

[[Hamid mian,
[learn how to survive on bollywood, vegetables and dal (god forbid).... ]

Now, whats wrong with dal?]]


To understand that, you have to get used to Paki food for a few years. It is very varied - you get a main plate of meat, with another meat entree, and a meat dish on the side. And for variety, there are some more meat dishes you can have.

Surviving Musharraf\'s Exit? #115 tahmed32

[ajeya: I sympathize with the psychological scars you people suffer from after being ruled by muslims for a thousand years. Just try not to go over the edge, like some other sufferers from india on chowk. ]

All of India was never ruled by Muslims. And my ancestors never submitted to the barbarian religion and its vile customs. Yours did. The psychological scars should be, and are very obvious in, you and all Muslims in the Indian subcontinent.

By the way, here's a reason why Pakiland will never be democratic:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,345088,00.html
(and don't blame the Taliban - they are just reading what's written in the koran instead of "interpreting" it - they don't have a copy of your version yet).


Taliban Militants Reportedly Stone to Death Pakistani Couple Who Committed Adultery
Wednesday, April 02, 2008


A couple found guilty of adultery by an Islamic "qazi" court was stoned to death by Taliban militants in Pakistan's northwest border region, according to a report in Dawn, Pakistan's English-language newspaper.

The execution, which reportedly took place Monday, is the first by stoning reported in the region, which borders Afghanistan. "Qazi" courts, which are allowed to administer Islamic law outside the Pakistani judicial system, traditionally have ordered execution by firing squad in cases of adultery.

The married woman, identified as Shano, had allegedly eloped on March 15 with Daulat Khan Malikdeenkhel.

A spokesman for the Taliban said a complaint had been received from the woman's family that she had been abducted by Daulat Khan. They later changed the report to say she had run away with him.

Taliban militants captured the couple as they were returning from Karachi, the spokesman said.

Dawn reported that the woman's body was buried by local residents not far from the execution site. The man's body was handed over to his relatives for burial.

Surviving Musharraf\'s Exit? re: tahmed and other democracy-minded islamists (talk about a contradiction in terms!)

This is how "democracy" is maintained in an Islamic land:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/31/turkey.trial.ap/index.html?e ref=rss_world

Here's the article:

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkey's top court will hear a case for a ban on the Islamic-rooted ruling party, a decision that could lead to months of political uncertainty in a nation divided over the role of religion in society.


The country's chief prosecutor is seeking the dissolution of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's party on the grounds that it is trying to scrap secular principles enshrined in the constitution.

The 11-member Constitutional Court's decision to hear the case was unanimous, said Osman Paksut, deputy chairman of the court, on Monday.

The case highlights the power struggle between Turkey's secular establishment, including the judiciary and powerful military, and Erdogan and his allies -- pious Muslims who advocate political and economic reforms as part of Turkey's bid to be a member of the European Union.

Deputy Prime Minister Cemil Cicek, who also serves as the government spokesman, told a news conference that the governing party would "use its democratic right and defend itself."

Cicek, however, downplayed the importance of the legal challenge, saying: "We are focusing on economic issues and reforms to progress the country's membership bid to join the European Union."

Erdogan's Justice and Development Party will seek the support of opposition parties to amend the constitution to make it more difficult for the party to be closed, senior lawmaker Nihat Ergun said.

"It is now inevitable to make changes on articles related to political parties," Ergun said.

The party has 340 seats in the 550-member parliament. Constitutional amendments require at least 367 votes. However, if the proposed amendment receives at least 330 votes, the president could call for a referendum on the changes.

Hikmet Sami Turk, a former justice minister, said the government should not use its power to influence this case. "If they amend the constitution that should only be valid for cases after this one; otherwise the ruling party will be passing an amnesty for itself," Turk said.

Ilter Turan, a professor of political science at Istanbul's Bilgi University, said closing down parties was "a pretty common practice" in Turkey.

"The ruling party had no reaction when the chief prosecutor sought to disband a pro-Kurdish party," Turan said, referring to a case against the Democratic Society Party on charges of ties to Kurdish rebels.

Istanbul's stock market closed 1.23 percent lower on Monday, partly because of traders' concerns over the court decision. The Turkish lira slid 1.7 percent against the U.S. dollar, according to Central Bank figures.

By law, the governing party has one month to prepare its initial defense. The party can ask for an extension, which would be subject to approval by the court.

If it is shut down, its members could regroup under the banner of a new party to lead the government.

However, a ban on the party could slow or derail government policies, including reforms linked to Turkey's bid to join the European Union.

The court previously closed two political parties deemed to be anti-secular, in 1998 and 2001. Erdogan's party is the successor of those parties.

"This is a fight between the Islamists and secularists harking back to early 1900s. It is not a simple case about a party," said Nihat Ali Ozcan of the Economic Policy Research Institute in Ankara.

He said the legal process would "chip away at the power of the governing party while relaxing the secularists who fear that the secular regime is at stake."

A ban could hurt the governing party ahead of local elections early next year, especially if Erdogan and dozens of other leading members are barred from politics.

Barclays Capital said in a report released prior to the court decision that the controversy could distract the government from economic reforms.

"Again, while we believe these issues will ultimately be resolved, they cloud Turkey's outlook," the London-based investment bank said in a report titled "Emerging Markets Outlook: March 2008."

The Justice and Development Party has wide popular support, winning 47 percent of the vote in general elections last year.

Abdurrahman Yalcinkaya, the chief prosecutor of the High Court of Appeals, has accused it of fomenting "anti-secular activities."

Yalcinkaya cited the government's efforts to lift a ban on the wearing of Islamic head scarves in universities, attempts to roll back restrictions on religious education and allegedly anti-secular comments by ruling party officials.

The prosecutor asked the court to bar 71 people, including Erdogan and President Abdullah Gul, from politics for five years. Even if Gul is banned, he could remain as president because the post is meant to be an apolitical position.

Eight of the 11 members of the top court were appointed by Ahmet Necdet Sezer, the former president who was a strong supporter of Turkey's secularist traditions.

The government said it would uphold secular principles, and criticized the prosecutor's move as antidemocratic. Ruling party officials have said the party might try to craft a constitutional amendment to make banning political parties more difficult.

EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn said on Saturday he was concerned about efforts to ban the governing party and suggested the issue could have ramifications for Turkey's membership bid.

Turkey's EU campaign, which is expected to last many years, has already been damaged by French and German misgivings, a dispute over the divided island of Cyprus, freedom of speech issues and divisions within the predominantly Muslim nation that have sapped domestic support for the project.