Is this Amnesia or Dementia? good thoughts....

Long Live the King: Musharraf’s Controversial Legacy People should know that if Mushy took U turn because of one phone call from Washington, then so did the politicians who made mushy go free at the bidding of US and Saudia. And as I said 'lanat hay sab per'.....

Long Live the King: Musharraf’s Controversial Legacy Author, You overlooked one important aspect of it all, and that is that the politicians still can drag the general in courts. But they will not and the reason is because zardari is in the lap of Washington and Nawaz Shareef is playing waiter boy to the most chootya person in the world know as 'khadmain haramain shareefain' of saudia. Why don't they show guts and hold mushy accountable?????

The fact of the matter is that we are still not independent thanks to all the leadership (military as well as civilian), who follow the dictates of US and saudia instead of what people of pakistan want...... lanat say sab per...

My Dear President Musharraf What an article? Lady seems to idolise Mushy... no problem with that though. Hitler had his lovers and followers and so did Francos, Marcos, and even Idi Amin................

The Tribal and I Interesting article...

Author wrote that:

"Specifically, in terms of Pakistan, a post-colonial nation state in which the majority of the population adheres to a sense of cultural modality quite distinct from the liberalised world, how can we advocate any change in these alternate cultures while at the same time not falling into the 'oriental' trap of failing to be culturally relative?"

Well as far as acadamic discussion is concerned, this raises quite an interesting questiions regarding the type of orientalism that was practiced by the western authors, acadamics and gora saab bahadurs in sub continent. As rightly ponited out in the start of the article that this had a very basic desire of ruling (a political motive) as its basis, I think it would be quite another thing and wrong thing to raise the question of cultural relativism in post independent scenario.

The cultural exchange in post colonial era is the cultural exchange that is always a contineous process rather than the type of cultural hegemony that was at the root of gora and western orientalism, and this was going on before colonization and will keep on going. Now it is not the process of imposing cultural hegemony in the garb of orientalism but the both ways assimilation/exchange of multiple cultures in the vicinity of each other that takes a natural course of actions whenever two distinct cultures are placed together.

The infleuences of islamic and hindu cultures on each others is one example of it and that is what is actually going on between pashtoon vs non pahtoon cultures. As far as the changes in the name of development are concerned, again they do not have the gora notions of ruling at its root but stem from the genuine desire on parts of the constituent elements to move ahead with the changing circumstances....

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance Re: # 68

Bkisan,

Zakir naik is a an entrepreneur, who had done good for himself by putting up the shop for religion, so what he says does not amount to anything for me.

As far ahmadis are concerned, I suggest that you talk to them, and ask them what status they give to those who are non ahmadi muslims?

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance Re: # 67

Cheema jaani,

What I was referring to was 'expert power'. It never meant that I cannot discuss with doctors or I should not. I was talking about that part where doctors use their specefic body of knowledge to come up with the diagnosis and course of action. Now, you will agree that non-doctors do not possess that knowledge, otherwise there would be no need of doctors...

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance Re: # 63

Hamidm,

[what i don't understand is why anyone in their right mind would want to be identified as a muslim .........]

If you don't understand, then why don't you keep your nose out of it. I don't understand medicine, so I keep out of it and let the doctors do what they need to do.

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance Re: # 64

Bkisan,

You are entitled to your opinions and I respect that. Now as you do not beleive in the reveleation of Muhammad (PBUH), so you are attributing the 'ethnic cleansing' to the Prophet (PBUH). Had you beleived in his being divinly inspired, you would not have said that - right?

Now tell me that can I have the same attitude towards Ahmadi Prophet, because I do not belive him (i.e. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) being divinly inspired, and then use the right of 'preemption' (thank you US for making this doctrine popular) against them?

According to you my logic was Jamati logic 101. Now let us see what gems of wisdom you will come up with. I am all ears..

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance OK Guys and of course author,

I committed a mistake by assuming that the declaration of the form of passport is the same as that of ID card. My fault, and I admitt that and opologise to all who got hurt by this. I should have searched for the passport forms, so as I said - my fault.

Now coming to the issue of ahmadiyya community once again. One thing that one do not realize and has been talked about many times is that what is happening to ahmadis in Pakistan is nothing that they would not do, if they are in power and majority. They want to create a khilafat, and call their religious head a khalifa. Further, please read my ilogs where I gave references about the attitude of founders of ahmadiya community regardng non ahmadi muslims. As a matter of fact the main arguement for declaring them non muslims was based on their own writtings where they declared non ahmadi muslims as non muslims....

In the end I once again opologise to all who were hurt because of my previous post...

Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance Good article written in good faith highlighting the Ahmadiya issue. However, I do not to agree with the author's contentions. First of all he wrote that and I quote that he has to sign the following statements:

"“I consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Quadiani to be an impostor nabi and also consider his followers whether belonging to the Lahori or Quadiani group to be non-Muslims. Alas, in order to acquire a passport, I was required to swear that Quadiani’s are non-Muslims. I found myself in a quandary."

Following is the undertaking that one has to sign while applying for ID card:

"I Solemnly affirm that, I believe completely and unconditionally in the finality of the Prophethood of the
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), and that I am not a follower of any person who claims Prophethood on the
basis of any interpretation of this word, neither I believe such a claimant to be a reformer or a prophet,
nor I belong to Qadiani or Lahori group or call myself Ahmedi."

Now there is a hell of the difference in what the author of this article want readers to beleive, and what is actually the fact. What a distortion of truth, and what a lie to claim victimhood.

As I said on numerous occasions, ahmadis can't claim victimhood by playing double game. On one side, they claim victimhood and on other side when asked what they consider non ahmadi muslims, they just keep quite and avoid the question........

And yes. Those who want to find the source of what I quoted above, you can visit:

http://www.nadra.gov.pk/images/poc.pdf

This is the form from NADRA for Pakistan Orgin card. The declaration i referred to is No.29. Same declaration is used for passports.

Aamir - A Film Review Yaar DM Saab,

Marwa diya aap nain. I went and watched the movie after reading you review, but sir ji it was total waste of time. Now tell me how u r gonna pay me back....

Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis Fucking chickens.....

Article without disclosing the name because of fear of persecution - my foot. If you are such a chicken then you probably deserve that. Those who do not have the courage to stand for their cause and allow others to persecute deserve that.

I think the thing missing in Ahmadis is lack of character because courage makes a bloody big part of character.

Bloody morons... Talking about freedom of expression and afraid of putting their ass on line for the sake of it. Hypocrates of first order......

Twenty Three Students Expelled From Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad Re: # 602

Tahir babu,

garmi barRi hay aj kal. So no harm in waiting along side the nahar with feet in the water...

Twenty Three Students Expelled From Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad I am still waiting for Ayesha Ji's take on my post #566. Other are also welcome to comments and answer if they want....

Twenty Three Students Expelled From Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad Ahmadi brothers,

I just recently heard that to be an Ahmadi, one needs to be part of Ahmadi jama'at, and needs to give some %age of his income as chanda. Though not obligatory, if not given, you can end up in bad books. Further, the Khalifa can expel an ahmadi from community if he thinks that he is unbecoming an Ahmadi. Further, some time he also issues orders to not to read a particular person's work.

Is all of the above right? Just confirming, so that likes of sattar sahib does not come back at me and blame that I got the destorted image of ahmadiat and should have checked it before with ahmadis.

Regards,

Khalid Bhatti