Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death Pablo Ganja #430 {"By the way you should call them Telly Bans, it is more evocative of cavemen smashing televisions and banning men and women from watching Hundoos in Bollywood"}

Ganjoo Bhai,
Don't the Tally Bans remind you of those Hindutva dudes in BangaLore who pull down skirts of women having beers in bars, pulling them by their hair, and burning Valentine Day cards to stay warm?

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death Shankar #422 {"YOU LOSE"}

Shankar Bhayya,
You are trying TOO HARD to convince me that Pakis lost in '48, '65 and THAT CONSTANT HINDU HEMORRHOID called Kargil. LOL

Arey Bhai,
You won clearly and completely in '71 - now don't get greedy or we will detonate Kassab Payee remotely. :)

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death PabloGanja #425 {"Ultimately the fanatical element that takes issue with India from Pakistan is hurting you more than us, and the same for Bangladesh. For sure they have issues with India, I hope we can treat them with respect and fairly no matter what happens. The armies of Taliban bearing down from the west upon you is more of an immediate concern."}

Mian Ganjoo,
So, now we are going to get into a pissing contest about who is hurting more? Or, in other words, which is a bigger menace, the Hindu Hindutva Hemorrhoids or the Muslim Tally Ban Swine Flu?
You bet the Bangladeshis are pissed off at the Injuns. After all, you guys took away their railroad tracks, bijli kay khambay, and even their best looking girls to decorate Sonagachi and Grant Road. Pretty soon, they will be the majority in Assam, West Bengal, and even Mumbai. :)
As for the Tally Ban, I am almost certain that the Paki Army is pumping up the volume to maximize the aid from Bama.

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death #424 Hamidm2 {"the taliban present an existential threat to pakistan whereas the hindoos are like hemmaroids "}

Hamidum Sahib,
LOL! Thank you for the kind welcome. Yes, I have every disdain for the Tally Ban (and more importantly their supporters and dispatchers). As President Hussein has demonstrated, we can multitask and combat the Tally Ban swine flu along with the bloody Hindu hemorrhoids simultaneously.
We could send the Tally Ban all the way east, but then we have to keep them away from Baramula - if you know what I mean. :) The problem with the stupid Tally Ban is that they think My Man Manmohan Singh, with his saintly beard, is a momin while both Mr. Ten Percent and Boob Fondler are clean shaven kaafirs. Now, where is that chikna pappoo Jawaharlal when you need him? Even Vajpayee, slow as he was, could be useful. I am rooting for Advani with his close shave, but with our luck, the horrible hindus will probably elect Narendra Modi with his week-old Arafat beard. Enjoy your Strohs. :)

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death #419 Posted by PabloGanja on May 3, 2009 3:04:59 pm
{" would mean that Bangladesh would cause India to be split in half. Are you really saying that is what Bangladesh is going to do to India? Come on now. Whatever issues arise, it's not going to be as drastic as that."}

Ganjoo,
You should be that lucky! :)
Sometimes a clean break (even in two) is the kindest cut of all. You forget that your own Bengalis are not the calmest of people and having a Bengali magnet right next door, not to mention the religious fanaticism that can emanate from the east just as it can come from the west, and ....

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death {"#341 Posted by Hasho on May 3, 2009 9:20:33 am
....
Raiz, we have gone thru this debate and here are the salient features of Indian response.

1. India built it to fight China not Pakistan"}

Hasho,
Wrong! Indians couldn't even come up with poisoned chopsticks if their defense against China depended on them.

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death {"#411 Posted by muqaddam on May 3, 2009 1:52:55 pm"}

MQM Damn!
Please allow me to correct you as best as I can. My corrections to your comments are in BOLD.


{"Pakistan's nuclear programme is far superior to India's,"}
I wouldn't say far superior, but definitely in quality but not in quantity.

{"India's missile programme is lagging behind Pakistan's"}
FALSE

{"Pakistani army is much stronger than Indian army"}
Perhaps, in its financial portfolio, but considering the state of most financial and real estate markets, even that is doubtful. Paki army is much weaker than the East Korean Army.

{"Pakistani growth in outsoucing business is much faster than India's"}
Only if you are talking about the fact that Pakistan will be outsourcing its defense and government to Uncle Bama soon.

{"Pakistan's economy is more resilient than India's----------------!!!"}

Pakistan's economy is more resilient than any other country's. How else do you account for Pakistan having an economy after all the plagues, dictatorships, calamities, and looting that it has endured?

{"With this overwhelming superiority it is not understood why:
- Pakistan could not annex the Kashmir valley in 60 years"}
Pakistan was poised to take the Kashmir Valley in 1948, but the ancestors of today's Tally Bans made a side tour of Baramula to impregnate some nuns against their will, and the rest is history.

{"- Pakistan could not retain Bangladesh"}
You are forgetting the slight detail concerning the intervention of the Indian Army

{"Pakistan lost the 48, 65, 71 wars"}
Oye! Jhoot not! 48 and 65 were draws. Yes, '71 was a loss, but then when all is said and done, Bangladesh is going to cost India much more than it has cost Pakistan. Mark my words.

{"- Pakistan had to shamefully vacate Kargil heights"}
Perhaps and maybe Pakis have no shame when it comes to running with our tails between our legs. But, please explain me one thing, while Pakis keep complaining about East Pakistan and '71, it seems to me that the Indians do complain a bit too much about Kargil - is it possible that the one with the more seriously bloodied nose is crying the loudest? Honestly, I don't hear many Pakis lamenting Kargil they way they lament East Pakistan or the way Indians cry oceans about Kargil. Was it perhaps a Pyrrhic victory?

{"- Pakistan could not capture Siachen"}
Siachen was and is Paki territory. Just because Kassab Payee and his comrades took over the Oberio and Taj Mahal, it didn't mean that for three days those hotels were part of Pakistan.

{"May be they are just being goodneighbourly to India!"}
Nobody can come close to India when it comes to being good neighbors. You guys invented cross-border terrorism when Pakis and Sri Lankans didn't even know how to spell the term - remember the Mukhti Bahini and the LTTE?

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death Shankar #145 {"I agree... but the whole concept of religion was supposed to get us above cruetly, oppression & prejudice...alas, religion has become part of the problem more than the solution.

ALL religions & human beings have an ugly history. Whats happening in Karachi is just a part of that mentality--we all have it in varying degrees. "}

Shankar Sahib,
You are so right. Religion becomes a crucible for division, oppression, and violence, when it becomes an identifier, a gang, even a team fostering "us" vs "them." When saffron and green become more important than om and insaaniyat; when burkas and dhotis replace piety and tolerance; and when markings and beards overtake love and compassion, we see religion becoming THE PROBLEM and not our salvation.

That is exactly why we need to discourage Tally Bans, Hindutva, Settler Jews, and Bible Thumpin Agmageddon Wishers from taking over our world.

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death Stuka #109 {"Another Mohajir trait, akin to the aspirational "Irish descent" aspirational identity in the states. Arrey "Bhaiiya", the Punjabi Muslim will say he is Jatt or Gujjar or Arain and point to local roots. The Pathan will similarly claim local roots. But the Bhayya is always someone of Arab, Iranian or Pathan descent. No Nathu Ram apparently ever converted to Islam in Malihabad. Saarey key saarey Isfahan, Pehsawar ya Istanbul sey aye they. "}

Stuka,
Once again I am compelled to educate you about historical facts. The Muslim rule in India was primarily centered around Delhi. Therefore it is logical that the Muslim rulers would surround their capital with their supporters, many of whom came from Central Asia, Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey, and the Arabian lands. The areas adjacent to Delhi were what we call UP and Haryana/Punjab today. Later this rule extended to other centers such as Hyderabad, Mysore, Bhopal, and Murshidabad. These Muslims, along with converts from Hinduism and loyal Hindus, provided the military, administrative, and cultural fabric of their empires. It follows that much of the so-called "cream" of the Muslim population of UP would have ancestors of Mongol, Irani, Turk, Afghan, Hindu, and Arab lineage. Much of that "cream" did migrate to Pakistan.

As for me, I have never denied my Hindu Rajput heritage. I have continued to show my pride in my Indian heritage despite the negative impression of being a Hindu perpetrated by Hindus like you, Mohar, Jang, Ranjit, and Sadna Didi. :)

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death Shankar #132 {"Salim,
Thanks...
fat lot of good egalitarian islam done for Pakistan. Your society seems just as unegalitarian as us hindus..
must be the grandpa gopinath's genes. you can mix any foreign genes with those; but mentality remains the same... "}

Shankar Bhai,
Please allow me to add some optimism to this depressing state. Racial and ethnic heritage has nothing to do with our sad absence of egalitarianism. Those who made a mantra of "Egalite, Fraternite, Liberte" were eagerly turning over Jews to Nazis and slaughterin Algerians by the thousands - a cool million to be exact.
I happen to have Rajput, Turkish, and Iranian genes and do not think of myself as devoid of egalitarianism. The problem is not with the genese but the jeans that practice cruelty, oppression, and prejudice to gain superiority over others. Let's work to end this horrible tradition.
Sincerely,
Salim

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death Shankar #127 {"Salimji,
""Yeki Afghan, doyum Kambooh, soyum badzaat Kashmiri. ""
Translation please:)"}

Shankar,
It's part of a Mughal proverb in Farsi about not being able to trust some people - First the Afghans, Second the Kambooh, and Third the ill-born Kashmiris."

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death Hasho #118{"There has not been an incident anywhere in Pakistan where a single Mohajir was touched despite what they did to Pathans on May 12th. "}

Hasho Saeen,
If a Mohajir has sex with his wife, most of us other Mohajirs don't enjoy an orgasm. :)

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death TrichMir #112 {"That 'pathan moola' is as stupid as any PUnjabi, Sindhi or Mohajir mulla."}

TrichMir Bhai,
I say amen to that, my brother. I have a few Pathan (both Pashto and Urdu-speaking) relatives and it hurts to see our people being divided along sectarian, provincial, linguistic, and even racial lines. Please learn from me - I made a mistake in considering all Punjabis to be evil, until a good Punjabi Chowkie friend taught me that Punjabis can be one's dearest and closest friends. Let's all unite and learn to hate each other as individuals. :)

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death Hasho #115 {"I am aghast at proclamation that Karachi is some sort of Mohajir city. It is not. Mohajir in Karachi are also economic immigrant. Pathan have as much right to come to Karachi and look for work as the Mohajir claimed at the time of independence. "}

Hasho,
I agree with and support your statement. Karachi belongs to all Pakistanis, just as Peshawar, Swat, Lahore, Buner, Malakand, Kohat, and Bannu belong to ALL Pakistanis - shaven or bearded, burka-clad or noor-faced.

Karachi should welcome Pathans. Karachi should even welcome Old Sindhis. :)

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death Stuka #109 {"He said Mohajirs did not even get on with the Bengalis, which is a fact. Mohajirs fought with Hindus in India and Bengalis in East Pak and Sindhis, Punjabis and Pathans in West Pak. Hor chuppo aam Malihabad key. "}

Stuka,
Correcting your inaccuracies and generalizations is becoming routine for me. Please read Tirich Mir's comment about Mohajirs resembling Bengalis - instead of running hither and tither with your rhetoric just to be argumentative.


Tirich Mir said the following in #28:
After partition those who had migrated to east Paksitan couldn't live with Bengalis although racially and culturally they were closer to Bengalis than west Pakistanis,

Karachi Could Bleed To Pakistan\'s Death Tirish Mir,
I hate to repeat the old Mughal proverb, but ...

"Yeki Afghan, doyum Kambooh, soyum badzaat Kashmiri. "

Is it any wonder that Akbar moved swiftly to balance his Imperial army with Rajputs?

So, Ghol Makhora.