How Pakistan Killed My Father {"These doctors had no remorse. ... That doctor has now been promoted. Though he had apologized once he realized that we were influential people but the sad part is that there is no verdict for malpractice. ..."}

Saeed Shiekh Sahib,
My deepest condolence on your tragic loss. I am really sorry to hear about your dad's death as a result of gross incompetence on the part of some who are just waiting for a green card to abscond to the US to mint money. May you overcome your tragedy and learn to forgive these quacks for their selfishness and their preoccupation with getting rich.

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense {"#134 Posted by dude40000 on July 11, 2009 2:20:55 pm
Salim Saab - Thanks for your comments about Musharraf and other Pakistani Generals who killed thousands of their own countrymen. You are obviously a dishonest person as most Pakistanis are. "}

Dude Saab,
Thank you for your kind comment. Speaking of honesty, I noticed that you have been a member since April 18, 2009 but haven't signed in since December 31, 1969. You are either a committed procrastinator or a habitual joiner. :)

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The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense {"#130 Posted by dude40000 on July 11, 2009 2:07:19 pm
Re: # 129

Salim Saab - So, do you think Musharraf should be tried in Hague? "}

Dude Sahib,
I don't think that Mushy is in the same league as Milosevic, Kradjic, Mladic, Sadman Houston, or Modi. I think that he needs to be tried in Pakistan for his crimes against the Constitution and gross mismanagement. I don't think he was a mass murderer - a bit more serious than Narsima Rao's corruption, but not as grotesque as Modi's mass slaughter.

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense Jang,
As a followup to your quoting of Muslim transgression, as if they occurred in a vacuum, let me present to you how you deliberately try not to be confused by facts. You accuse Pakistan of cross-border terrorism, but never acknowledge that India started the concept in South Asia with the Mukhti Bahini and LTTE.

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense #77 Posted by jang on July 11, 2009 8:05:58 am
{"yar salim will talk of gujrat for next 500 years...victimhood is ingrained but will rarely talk of armenian genocide"}

Jang,
Mohammed Bin Qasim was 1400 years ago. Ghaznavi was 1100 years ago, and Ghori was 1200 years ago, so I have a ways to go to match your own sense of victimhood.
As for the armenian genocide, it is almost comical how many Indians like you act like parrots when it comes to western Christian mantra - but then mantra is ingrained in your psyche.
The Armenian massacres need to be discussed for sure. The discussion should be within the context of the early 20th century - WWI, Balkan Wars, the massacres in Abkhazia and Ajaria, the suppression of Chechens by Russians, and the slaughter of Muslims in the Balkans and Crete. You need to practice some objectivity, but then that was never your objective, was it?

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense {"#128 Posted by dude40000 on July 11, 2009 1:48:23 pm
Re: # 125
{"Salim saab - Nice article.
At least a legal case has been filed against Advani
Its still better than not even a single legal case against Musharraf for the lal Masjid massacre or other countless civilian deaths caused by helicopter gunships in Swat and other areas. "}

Dude Chaalees Hazaar Sahib,
Thank you for the kind comment and the optimistic news regarding Advani.
I agree with you about the rotten deals made with Musharraf and his amazing audacity at not being held accountable for numerous crimes and violations - kidnapping, profiteering, lying, engineering a coup d'etat, and wanton disregard for civilian deaths. Thanks.

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense #122 Posted by Hindu_sikh on July 11, 2009 1:17:06 pm
{"I know i am sounding naive, but what i felt then waas truly enlightening(a sort of buddha's sarnath moment).The point i am trying to prove is that the more indians come into closer contact with pakistanis, the more they will realise that we are very same in mores,customs and consequently the lesser will be their hostility (BTW, one of my eternal fanatsies is to drive n the silk route on pak-china border)
I wish i had enough skill to put my thoughts suitably into words"}

Hindu-Sikh,
Your inimitable skill is in the sincerity and conviction of your thoughts and you express them with effective zeal and strength. May you, Inshallah, succeed in your desires and your ambitions. I just hope that there are many more gems like you in our soil. Best wishes. :)

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense #77 Posted by jang on July 11, 2009 8:05:58 am
{"yar salim will talk of gujrat for next 500 years...victimhood is ingrained but will rarely talk of armenian genocide..and when he does it will be with ifs and buts. so his bringing it up ought to be ignored, not argued imo"}

This is coming from the unrepentant Badjang Dal supporter and convert to Sikhism who has never denounced the 1984 Dehi Massacre. Funny, how some Holocaust historians never get tired of Dachau, Auschwitz, etc while they have no memory of Deir Yassin. Jang, do you even know where Armenia is located? ...and I am not talking about your constant claim of "I AM MEAN - YA!"

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense Re #124, for DM Sahib:


TOP: You are innocent until proven guilty
No court of law has proven them guilty as yet
Legal process in India moves at snail's pace - one furlong per fortnight
It will take many many years, perhaps decades to bring them to trial
Until then they can rule, run for re-election, even brag about their "unproven" crimes
Were they proven GUILTY? If NO, go back to TOP
Appeal verdict
Defame witnesses
Accuse judges of bias
Take the case to the public
Run for election again
Return to TOP

LOL - Only in the WORLD'S GREATEST DEMOCRACY. :)

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense #74 Posted by dost_mittar on July 11, 2009 6:40:33 am
{Unlike these characters, Modi and Advani have been subject to the legal process, which in India does move at a snail's pace. And the westerns system in India means that you are assumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and no court of law has as YET held them guilty"}

DM Sahib,
I did not expect this diabolically verbal wizardry from a straight-shooting Punjabi gentleman like you. :) Read your post again and you will see the comical and endless loop that you have prepared for your BJP heroes Modi, Advani, and Thackeray. I am disappointed. :(

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense #72 Posted by SR on July 11, 2009 5:38:55 am
{"Nice rant Saleem sahib. I share your sentiments though the picture you paint is no more 'acurate' than Claude Monet's soleil levant is a photographic image of the sunset. Like the 19th century French Impressionsit you convey an impression that is generally attractive but it misses the subtle detail...Saidu Sharif, as you might know but didn't think about it, was the 'capital' of Swat when it was a princely state. Mingora, the biggest town in Swat, is its twin town much the same as St. Paul and Minniapolis, or, Islamabad and Rawalpindi, are twin cities."}

SR Sahib,
Thank you for correcting my mistake regarding the location of Saidu Sharif. My foray into NWFP has been limited to an afternoon in Nathiagali - a remarkably beautiful place close to Murree.
As for your attempt to circumvent this discussion by introducing the tangential detour of "impressionism," I am not falling for your bait. ") Vous etes un "sophist," mais vous n'avez pas raison.

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense #119 Posted by Hindu_sikh on July 11, 2009 1:00:05 pm
Re: # 116
{"Even i have observed this atleast whenever i peruse pakistani online newspapers. many Pakistani english nespapers go to great lenghts in criticizing the pak society....Our press is comparatively a bit too nationalistic"}

Dear Hindu-Sikh,
Pakistan has many faults and it's difficult for its people, media, or even government to ignore them. You will find Pakistanis to be very critical of our nation, our government, our military, and even our cricket team. This is of course just tough love - what our parents do to drive us to be smarter, brighter, more successful. It has its drawbacks such as immediate lack of self-confidence and a constant feeling of guilt. But, hopefully, it translates into reform, progress, and maybe even success. The recent victory by the Pak cricket team is a positive affirmation of this approach.

While we may be overly self-critical, we do manage to circle the wagons when external criticism, especially Indian, is freely expressed in our presence. This causes us to unite and sometimes give license to certain elements when such liberty is not warranted. :)

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense #80 Posted by stuka on July 11, 2009 8:51:47 am
{"HamidM,
...It's a different thing that your blood and iron type remarks remind me of Prussian generals, Bismark and the like..You know where in history they landed up. "}

Stuka,
I am not sure where they landed, but it is my sincere and earnest desire that you land right smack on top of one of those Prussian helmets. :)

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense #82 Posted by stuka on July 11, 2009 8:56:57 am
"yar salim will talk of gujrat for next 500 years..."

{"but we ofcourse are not allowed to talk of Aurangzeb or Nadir Shah or Abdali because it is in bad taste."|

Stuka,
Feel free to talk about Nadir Shah or Abdali - both foreign invaders of our beloved Hindustan. Just be respectful of Maharaja Aurangzeb Alamgir who was a great Rajput ruler and united India to an extent that it was larger than today's India. He was also extremely honest and very brave - facts that impressed my ancestors so much that they became Muslim. :)

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense #110 Posted by Goldfinger on July 11, 2009 12:26:21 pm
Re: # 94

{"Salim...I agree with you...and your article is great, but unfortunately even the constructive self criticism that we indulge in seems to get hijacked by these myopic bigots from across the border for, as you correctly put it, their own ulterior motives...unfortunately there are so many of them...and it gets quite hard to ignore them."}

Goldfinger,
And they serve a very useful purpose on Chowk and in real life. They help to unite Pakistanis and even Muslims as we get too critical of our own.
I wrote this article as a desire for fiscal accountability from our Pak army. My intention was to make the Pak army stronger and more effective by becoming popular, professional, and credible once again. This is even more necessary now as they are in the midst of containing an open rebellion by bloodthirsty and cruel rebels who are committed to anarchy disguised as "Islamic" rule.

Of course, the right-wing Hindutva types have turned this discussion into labeling me a traitor to Pakistan, an ill-wisher of India, and a target of religious, secular, and democratic self-righteousness. :) If you notice, there is nothing anti-Indian in this article. We must bring the erratic Indians back to the reservation. :)

The Landlords of Defence To Pakistan\'s Defense #111 Posted by Hindu_sikh on July 11, 2009 12:29:49 pm
Re: # 107
{"Salim ji, thanks alot for your wishes.They mean alot to me. All that i want to see is india, pakistan and banglades concentrating more on removing their poverty than wasting their time in useless fighting/arguments.
I am a proud indian but i have to say that my heart bleeds whenever i travel through old delhi early in the Morning .i get to see hundreds of people sleeping on the roadside which breaks my heart ....PS: sir, you do not need to append sahib to my nick----- i am just 18."}

Dear Hindu-Sikh,
Just 18! :) I applaud your wisdom and angelic thoughts at such a young age. At 29, I am often accused of being a much older man for my own thoughts. :) I take that as a compliment.

The situation you described in Delhi can be applied to almost any city in Pakistan too. You have expressed my feelings in your words of compassion and resolve to do what is more important than all these nonsensical pursuits of military gadgets. Let's eradicate poverty, illiteracy, disease, violence, bigotry, and hunger from South Asia. Inshallah, we will prevail.