In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful
Ajeya,
I could also ask you whether you had stopped beating your wife. Your question is as stupid as that age-old trick. If you were seriously interested in the reasons and justifications for the various marriages of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and his companions, I would gladly indulge your quest. Unfortunately, you are merely interested in finding any ammunition whatsoever to use for scoring against the people you hate - Muslims and Pakis.
The marriages included Mohammed's (PBUH) life-long partner, a widow who was 15 years older than he. Also, he married a black woman, an Egyption Copt, and a daughter of Hazrat Omar (RA). He gave the hands of two daughters to Hazrat Othman (RA) and one to Imam Ali (RA). In the tribal Arabia of those days, it was customary to marry to cement alliances. Yes, he married Hazrat Ayesha (RA), the young daughter of Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA). Thanks to the senility of certain sources, who wrote several generations after the events, there is considerable confusion about her age at the time of her marriage and consummation of that marriage. The most reliable version puts that age between 16 and 18.
If you are attempting to suggest that, Nauzbillah, our Holy Prophet (PBUH) was a pedophile, Toba Toba, then you must know that pedophilia is manifested as a recurring problem and never a single faux pas. Shame on you. Do you have the same inquisitive concern about all the other religious leaders in history? What have you researched about Jesus Christ? about Brigham Young? About the Medicis?
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 08:40 pm
Ajeya #968 {"You are just delaying the inevitable. Come on now. Let's have the answer"}Ajeya,
I could also ask you whether you had stopped beating your wife. Your question is as stupid as that age-old trick. If you were seriously interested in the reasons and justifications for the various marriages of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and his companions, I would gladly indulge your quest. Unfortunately, you are merely interested in finding any ammunition whatsoever to use for scoring against the people you hate - Muslims and Pakis.
The marriages included Mohammed's (PBUH) life-long partner, a widow who was 15 years older than he. Also, he married a black woman, an Egyption Copt, and a daughter of Hazrat Omar (RA). He gave the hands of two daughters to Hazrat Othman (RA) and one to Imam Ali (RA). In the tribal Arabia of those days, it was customary to marry to cement alliances. Yes, he married Hazrat Ayesha (RA), the young daughter of Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA). Thanks to the senility of certain sources, who wrote several generations after the events, there is considerable confusion about her age at the time of her marriage and consummation of that marriage. The most reliable version puts that age between 16 and 18.
If you are attempting to suggest that, Nauzbillah, our Holy Prophet (PBUH) was a pedophile, Toba Toba, then you must know that pedophilia is manifested as a recurring problem and never a single faux pas. Shame on you. Do you have the same inquisitive concern about all the other religious leaders in history? What have you researched about Jesus Christ? about Brigham Young? About the Medicis?
Don’t Hang Sarabjeet
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 08:24 pm
#67 *upon his party and not up his party
Don’t Hang Sarabjeet
We need to separate the extinguishing aspirations of the lame duck dick traitor from the genuine concerns of the Urdu-speaking citizens of Pakistan. It is obvious that MQM and its absentee strongman in London do not represent the legitimate interests of Karachi or Pakistan.
The people of Pakistan voted overwhelmingly, despite all forms of rigging and pressure by Mushy, for the restoration of true democracy. Urdu speaking people, above all else, are Muslims and Pakistanis first. Any attempt by MQM or Mushy to hijack their interests will backfire.
While Asif Ali Zardari has demonstrated superior statesmanship and diplomacy, he should not squander the goodwill and trust that the people of Pakistan have bestowed up his party and coalition. The very fact that Mushy is President is an insult to democracy, the rule of law, and the image of Pakistan. The dick traitor used a lame duck Parliament to manufacture an outcome that would never have occurred in an honest vote. He had already manipulated the judiciary to cause a favorable outcome for himself. Even the most stupid person can recognize the shenanigans of this buffoon who has stayed on the stage far too long for any audience not to vomit.
The justices must be restored, including the reinstatement of the CJ and then Mushy must be removed, tried, and hanged for his usurpation of power and betrayal of Pakistan. I supported Mushy when I thought he was the least of all evils for Pakistan. I detest Mushy when he is the most obvious evil confronting Pakistan. I supported the MQM when it was struggling for the rights of Karachiites. I am now against the MQM for its support of Mushy and its role as spoiler in the redemocratization of the nation.
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 08:22 pm
HP,Zeemax, and Tahmed32We need to separate the extinguishing aspirations of the lame duck dick traitor from the genuine concerns of the Urdu-speaking citizens of Pakistan. It is obvious that MQM and its absentee strongman in London do not represent the legitimate interests of Karachi or Pakistan.
The people of Pakistan voted overwhelmingly, despite all forms of rigging and pressure by Mushy, for the restoration of true democracy. Urdu speaking people, above all else, are Muslims and Pakistanis first. Any attempt by MQM or Mushy to hijack their interests will backfire.
While Asif Ali Zardari has demonstrated superior statesmanship and diplomacy, he should not squander the goodwill and trust that the people of Pakistan have bestowed up his party and coalition. The very fact that Mushy is President is an insult to democracy, the rule of law, and the image of Pakistan. The dick traitor used a lame duck Parliament to manufacture an outcome that would never have occurred in an honest vote. He had already manipulated the judiciary to cause a favorable outcome for himself. Even the most stupid person can recognize the shenanigans of this buffoon who has stayed on the stage far too long for any audience not to vomit.
The justices must be restored, including the reinstatement of the CJ and then Mushy must be removed, tried, and hanged for his usurpation of power and betrayal of Pakistan. I supported Mushy when I thought he was the least of all evils for Pakistan. I detest Mushy when he is the most obvious evil confronting Pakistan. I supported the MQM when it was struggling for the rights of Karachiites. I am now against the MQM for its support of Mushy and its role as spoiler in the redemocratization of the nation.
In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful
You are asking me as if I was there. Let me tell you that I was not there and neither were you. Also, I was not there when the Gopi Groper groped the gopis or the big chief screwed his own daughter or when Sita went Ram Ram with Rawan or when Hanuman mounted Ganesh. This is all told to people by people removed from reality by several generations.
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 01:19 pm
Ajeya #959,You are asking me as if I was there. Let me tell you that I was not there and neither were you. Also, I was not there when the Gopi Groper groped the gopis or the big chief screwed his own daughter or when Sita went Ram Ram with Rawan or when Hanuman mounted Ganesh. This is all told to people by people removed from reality by several generations.
In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful
DM Sahib,
I really don't keep track of them - they all look the same to me. Is Jan Sangh dead or part of BJP? What happened to the Hindu Mahasabha - the real creators of Pakistan?
After a while the KKK, Aryan Brothers, White Power, Liberty College, 700 Club, etc all start to get blurred as one aberration.
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 01:15 pm
{"Does Jan Sangh still exist after the creation of the BJP? "}DM Sahib,
I really don't keep track of them - they all look the same to me. Is Jan Sangh dead or part of BJP? What happened to the Hindu Mahasabha - the real creators of Pakistan?
After a while the KKK, Aryan Brothers, White Power, Liberty College, 700 Club, etc all start to get blurred as one aberration.
In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful
Kaal Bhayya,
Beautifully phrased! Adulteration and obfuscation are the well-proven tricks of the insincere and those with ulterior motives. By attaching themselves to some obscure yet acceptable philosophy, these usurpers want to throw bricks at Muslims and stay "Muslim" in the eyes of the world and their own questionable conscience.
I have visited Konya, here in Turkey, a couple of times and have learned to respect Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi as an inspiring and thoroughly Muslim scholar. His emphasis on love is not the same as these charlatans' approval of insulting the Holy Prophet (PBUH), his family, and the basic tenets of Islam. The hypocrites who go out of the way to convince us that they are Sufis, or followers of Rumi, or even "modern" Muslims are just spiritual cowards. At least Salamander Rushdie and Hirsa Ali had the guts to leave Islam as they ridiculed their former faith. The only thing worse than a kaafir is a munafiq.
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 10:05 am
Eklavya #957 {"salim bro, religion is a personal matter only so long as it does not make assumptions and declarations about the beliefs of others. This new development may not a personal matter in that sense. It is an attempt to take over a religious domain occupied by others, before their appearance."}Kaal Bhayya,
Beautifully phrased! Adulteration and obfuscation are the well-proven tricks of the insincere and those with ulterior motives. By attaching themselves to some obscure yet acceptable philosophy, these usurpers want to throw bricks at Muslims and stay "Muslim" in the eyes of the world and their own questionable conscience.
I have visited Konya, here in Turkey, a couple of times and have learned to respect Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi as an inspiring and thoroughly Muslim scholar. His emphasis on love is not the same as these charlatans' approval of insulting the Holy Prophet (PBUH), his family, and the basic tenets of Islam. The hypocrites who go out of the way to convince us that they are Sufis, or followers of Rumi, or even "modern" Muslims are just spiritual cowards. At least Salamander Rushdie and Hirsa Ali had the guts to leave Islam as they ridiculed their former faith. The only thing worse than a kaafir is a munafiq.
Don’t Hang Sarabjeet
Urstruly,
Great! Also, the learned Alim Mr. Laddu has posted the prevailing rates from Soodi Arabia. So, Injuns, you better pray that most of Sarabjeet's Paki victims were Mirzaaees.
{"Blood of a Hindu woman.
Topic started by laddu on Apr 28, 2008 1:11:44 am
n the April 9, 2002 issue, The Wall Street Journal published the concept of blood money in Saudi Arabia . If a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the latter has to pay blood money or compensation, as follow.
100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
50,000 riyals if a Christian man
25,000 riyals if a Christian woman
6,666 riyals if a Hindu man
3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman"}
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 09:32 am
Urstruly #31 {"My sincere advice to Hindus is that they should make an offer to pay Qisas and Diyat pre-emptively to the next of the kins of sarbjeet's victims. Make them an offer that they ccould not refuse"}Urstruly,
Great! Also, the learned Alim Mr. Laddu has posted the prevailing rates from Soodi Arabia. So, Injuns, you better pray that most of Sarabjeet's Paki victims were Mirzaaees.
{"Blood of a Hindu woman.
Topic started by laddu on Apr 28, 2008 1:11:44 am
n the April 9, 2002 issue, The Wall Street Journal published the concept of blood money in Saudi Arabia . If a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the latter has to pay blood money or compensation, as follow.
100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
50,000 riyals if a Christian man
25,000 riyals if a Christian woman
6,666 riyals if a Hindu man
3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman"}
In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful
Jan Sangh, Sang something, and Maharashtra something - latest party active in chopping of hands of poor Hindu Bihari laborers.
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 08:43 am
DM Sahib, Jan Sangh, Sang something, and Maharashtra something - latest party active in chopping of hands of poor Hindu Bihari laborers.
In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful
...and the award for the most annoying personality, devoid of any intellectual content, goes to BJ Coomar - the "man" with the filthiest mouth, for obvious reasons.
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 08:41 am
#923 re: awards...and the award for the most annoying personality, devoid of any intellectual content, goes to BJ Coomar - the "man" with the filthiest mouth, for obvious reasons.
In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful
Tell me, o divinely cursed one,
Is your lengthy research motivated by concern for a child or are you merely gathering ammunition to score points against your hated enemas?
These "sources" of Hadiths were born generations after the events that they so "accurately" describe. So and so told so and so who told so and so that so and so did this to so and so. No wonder, some very learned people in Turkey are going to heave a lot of this unsubstantiated nonsense into the trash bin.
You probably believe in the daughter of Jesus, the Da Vinci code, and Brahma's incestuous relationship with his own daughter.
Did you know that Jawaharlal Nehru had an illicit relationship with Sardar Vallabhai Patel?
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 08:36 am
Allah talla ka mara huwa {"The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people"}Tell me, o divinely cursed one,
Is your lengthy research motivated by concern for a child or are you merely gathering ammunition to score points against your hated enemas?
These "sources" of Hadiths were born generations after the events that they so "accurately" describe. So and so told so and so who told so and so that so and so did this to so and so. No wonder, some very learned people in Turkey are going to heave a lot of this unsubstantiated nonsense into the trash bin.
You probably believe in the daughter of Jesus, the Da Vinci code, and Brahma's incestuous relationship with his own daughter.
Did you know that Jawaharlal Nehru had an illicit relationship with Sardar Vallabhai Patel?
In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful
Arjun,
You asked a retarded "this or that" question and got a retarded "that" answer. What's so retarded about that?
Tell me, did your maternal uncle (Maamoon) give birth to you?
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 08:31 am
arjun #919 {"that's such a retarded comeback that even your own multi-nicks won't find it funny..."}Arjun,
You asked a retarded "this or that" question and got a retarded "that" answer. What's so retarded about that?
Tell me, did your maternal uncle (Maamoon) give birth to you?
In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful
Kaal Bhayya,
Religion, in my opinion, is a personal matter. People can believe what they like. But when, obviously self-serving, self-righteous people like Asra Nomani become "Muslim" activists one has to wonder about their motives. Are they trying to legitimize their acceptance of profanity against our Holy Prophet (PBUH) or, more importantly, are they trying to legitimize their out of wedlock production?
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 08:28 am
Eklavya #946 {"In this new 'Islam,' a person can have promiscuous sex 24/7 (that is a ridiculous overexaggeration of Tantrika, but you get the point), can take/accept abuse of Prophet Muhammad ... "}Kaal Bhayya,
Religion, in my opinion, is a personal matter. People can believe what they like. But when, obviously self-serving, self-righteous people like Asra Nomani become "Muslim" activists one has to wonder about their motives. Are they trying to legitimize their acceptance of profanity against our Holy Prophet (PBUH) or, more importantly, are they trying to legitimize their out of wedlock production?
In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful
Mr. Max and you address me as 'brother', that is comforting; others abuse me is of no consequence. They are a mentally confused lot who think I'm a Pakistani-German!"}
Tahir,
I am proud to address you as a brother. Anyone who doesn't behave like an "acceptable" Muslim to these BJP/RSS/VHP/BD/JS/SP/SS/MNS hate-mongrels is a jihadist in their estimation. Also, an "acceptable" Muslim is one who agrees with their insulting of Our Holy Prophet (PBUH), enjoys the "Mo & Ayesha" blasphemy, and drinks alcohol or gao muttra with them while badmouthing Islam, Muslims, and Pakistan. Oh yes, the "acceptable" Muslim is also blinded by "India Shining."
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 08:23 am
Tahir #931 {"Chauhan sahib,Mr. Max and you address me as 'brother', that is comforting; others abuse me is of no consequence. They are a mentally confused lot who think I'm a Pakistani-German!"}
Tahir,
I am proud to address you as a brother. Anyone who doesn't behave like an "acceptable" Muslim to these BJP/RSS/VHP/BD/JS/SP/SS/MNS hate-mongrels is a jihadist in their estimation. Also, an "acceptable" Muslim is one who agrees with their insulting of Our Holy Prophet (PBUH), enjoys the "Mo & Ayesha" blasphemy, and drinks alcohol or gao muttra with them while badmouthing Islam, Muslims, and Pakistan. Oh yes, the "acceptable" Muslim is also blinded by "India Shining."
In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful
How Navy is coming into the picture between Maratha and Mughals?
nkg,
If I need to lecture you about Indian history you are never going to learn and, more importantly, you are going to be even more pissed off. Go ahead and memorize the BJP/RSS/VHP/BD/JS/SS/SP/MNS hate-mongrel's mantra.
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 28, 2008 08:17 am
nkg #943{"What Nadir Shah had to do with Sikhs of Punjab?How Navy is coming into the picture between Maratha and Mughals?
nkg,
If I need to lecture you about Indian history you are never going to learn and, more importantly, you are going to be even more pissed off. Go ahead and memorize the BJP/RSS/VHP/BD/JS/SS/SP/MNS hate-mongrel's mantra.
In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful
Regardless of how gentle a person you are, I must disagree with you about your characterization of Islam as a "multinational corporation" and then using the words "greedy" and "pyramid scheme." How could you make such an idiotic comparison? No wonder Masadi Sahib was after your dhoti. LOL
Now that we have gotten that out of the way, please allow me to express my severe opposition to the concept of tableegh or missionary efforts. While I agree that most of the time the missionary position is quite appropriate, it is not always recommended. One of the easiest ways to piss off the natives is to go and try to convert some or many of them to your own way of thinking, doing, praying, washing, singing, and living. No wonder the cannibals always boiled the missionary first and then ate his daughter later.
People should be allowed to change their religions and viewpoints as often as they freely choose to - I for one am not known for my consistent views. OTOH, there should be no compulsion of force, swords, sticks, or bags of rice to motivate people to change their views. Thanks for putting up with my stupid analogies and taking the heat for the fires I start.
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 27, 2008 04:16 pm
Anil Bhai,Regardless of how gentle a person you are, I must disagree with you about your characterization of Islam as a "multinational corporation" and then using the words "greedy" and "pyramid scheme." How could you make such an idiotic comparison? No wonder Masadi Sahib was after your dhoti. LOL
Now that we have gotten that out of the way, please allow me to express my severe opposition to the concept of tableegh or missionary efforts. While I agree that most of the time the missionary position is quite appropriate, it is not always recommended. One of the easiest ways to piss off the natives is to go and try to convert some or many of them to your own way of thinking, doing, praying, washing, singing, and living. No wonder the cannibals always boiled the missionary first and then ate his daughter later.
People should be allowed to change their religions and viewpoints as often as they freely choose to - I for one am not known for my consistent views. OTOH, there should be no compulsion of force, swords, sticks, or bags of rice to motivate people to change their views. Thanks for putting up with my stupid analogies and taking the heat for the fires I start.
In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful
The Soodis aren't Muslims. Next question, please.
Posted by
Salim_Chauhan
Apr 27, 2008 03:59 pm
#865 arjun {"so either the restrictions on women and ban on any other religion in saudi arabia is islamic or the saudis aren't muslims.."}The Soodis aren't Muslims. Next question, please.
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