Hindu Mathematics – How Original Was It?
Riazji,
the thing about Kallars' female infanticide is very much true...its practiced by the Kallar community living around Usilampatti. These kallars are Piramalai Kallars and they werent the warrior clan...
its the Kallars of Tanjore that were warriors and they are civilized. So I would not accept your broad brushing as all Kallars as royals or child killers...
Even today the Piramalai Kallars are a source of great worry for the rest of the population...
Piramalai Kallars feed the new born with the extract of cacti...its called 'Kalli' in Tamil, the milk like substance is collected and fed...they would also stuff the girl kids throat with unchaffed rice grain which could kill the infant...
Posted by
vengatramanan
Jun 16, 2009 08:34 am
Re: # 82Riazji,
the thing about Kallars' female infanticide is very much true...its practiced by the Kallar community living around Usilampatti. These kallars are Piramalai Kallars and they werent the warrior clan...
its the Kallars of Tanjore that were warriors and they are civilized. So I would not accept your broad brushing as all Kallars as royals or child killers...
Even today the Piramalai Kallars are a source of great worry for the rest of the population...
Piramalai Kallars feed the new born with the extract of cacti...its called 'Kalli' in Tamil, the milk like substance is collected and fed...they would also stuff the girl kids throat with unchaffed rice grain which could kill the infant...
Hindu Mathematics – How Original Was It?
Sure Cobes, I am aware...
Posted by
vengatramanan
Jun 15, 2009 10:47 pm
#61,Sure Cobes, I am aware...
Hindu Mathematics – How Original Was It?
i am not sure about that if people dint teach or transfer knowledge deliberately...this idea has been oft repeated in many forums that the higher castes never took them upon themselves to educate people...
i dont see what would have made it incumbent of them to teach vedas to a guy who climbs trees for honey...his wild spirit would not have allowed him to sit down or obey...we see that even now...kids who dont go to school and all that...i havent totally falsified the caste theory but its just that i dont think it fully depicts what the picture could have been...
now tell me how many tribes would have coveted a Brahmin girl long ago...there would not have any meeting points...
"Granting access to free knowledge is kind of a new phenomenon. "
and this is what i was talking about...granting or providing knowledge might not have been the greatest of the priorities of those times...and groups werent trusting each others motives and when theres mistrust and no cordial atmosphere to get together you cant expect too much...
if you look at the western societies they've been a homogeneous group ethnically and that would have made things possible as there werent many deterrents for people to people contact...
Posted by
vengatramanan
Jun 15, 2009 09:24 pm
Cobes,i am not sure about that if people dint teach or transfer knowledge deliberately...this idea has been oft repeated in many forums that the higher castes never took them upon themselves to educate people...
i dont see what would have made it incumbent of them to teach vedas to a guy who climbs trees for honey...his wild spirit would not have allowed him to sit down or obey...we see that even now...kids who dont go to school and all that...i havent totally falsified the caste theory but its just that i dont think it fully depicts what the picture could have been...
now tell me how many tribes would have coveted a Brahmin girl long ago...there would not have any meeting points...
"Granting access to free knowledge is kind of a new phenomenon. "
and this is what i was talking about...granting or providing knowledge might not have been the greatest of the priorities of those times...and groups werent trusting each others motives and when theres mistrust and no cordial atmosphere to get together you cant expect too much...
if you look at the western societies they've been a homogeneous group ethnically and that would have made things possible as there werent many deterrents for people to people contact...
Hindu Mathematics – How Original Was It?
but most probably the reason was that the population which could have been mostly tribal never saw the need for learning maths on a common platform...they got what they needed from mother nature and today thats the life most advocate to keep our planet alive...sustainable living ideas..
i am not sure how much the Brahmins would have mastered the art of growing crops, cattle breeding or something that wasnt their domain...so we cant accuse the people who were in those trades for not doing the KT...people lived in groups that were extended families and they preserved the knowledge they had within the group...
i heard that a caste group in Haryana has been practicing the science of siphoning water from a low lying place towards a hillock (to irrigate) for ages...not many did that in India or Haryana...
Posted by
vengatramanan
Jun 15, 2009 08:56 pm
and when Pervez Hoodbhoy asserts that the knowledge transfer failed due to the rigid caste system, it might be true but not entirely...if you look at business maths, it was practiced by traders and they can also be accused of not doing the KT...but most probably the reason was that the population which could have been mostly tribal never saw the need for learning maths on a common platform...they got what they needed from mother nature and today thats the life most advocate to keep our planet alive...sustainable living ideas..
i am not sure how much the Brahmins would have mastered the art of growing crops, cattle breeding or something that wasnt their domain...so we cant accuse the people who were in those trades for not doing the KT...people lived in groups that were extended families and they preserved the knowledge they had within the group...
i heard that a caste group in Haryana has been practicing the science of siphoning water from a low lying place towards a hillock (to irrigate) for ages...not many did that in India or Haryana...
Hindu Mathematics – How Original Was It?
This sanitation stuff has been talked about several times earlier...I am not sure how it measures the advances of a group or a country...if you look at the number of people with proper sanitation facilities in India, it might far exceed the total population of Pakistan...
even if thats the truth it would not indicate any definite measure of how far India is better than other countries with less sanitation facilities. i mean it does not indicate better cleanliness in anyways...
rail roads aren't the common defecation points in India...may be the urban slum dwellers do that but in rural areas you have got vast expanses of land and water sources...
and human feces aren't toxic, they degrade fast...
if you look at natural farming the manure is all got from plant and animal wastes...
i would rather shit at a place where its clean and not like the unwashed toilets which cause more harm...
Posted by
vengatramanan
Jun 15, 2009 08:06 pm
Riazji,This sanitation stuff has been talked about several times earlier...I am not sure how it measures the advances of a group or a country...if you look at the number of people with proper sanitation facilities in India, it might far exceed the total population of Pakistan...
even if thats the truth it would not indicate any definite measure of how far India is better than other countries with less sanitation facilities. i mean it does not indicate better cleanliness in anyways...
rail roads aren't the common defecation points in India...may be the urban slum dwellers do that but in rural areas you have got vast expanses of land and water sources...
and human feces aren't toxic, they degrade fast...
if you look at natural farming the manure is all got from plant and animal wastes...
i would rather shit at a place where its clean and not like the unwashed toilets which cause more harm...
Talk English, Walk English
Posted by
vengatramanan
Jun 9, 2009 06:13 am
the problem i find learning science in the vernac is that the overzealous torch bearers have ended up with tongue twisters that would need another childhood to learn...
Talk English, Walk English
Posted by
vengatramanan
Jun 7, 2009 08:02 pm
Periyar had no pretensions about the life after independence...he was against the Britishers moving out...you know why unpickled?
Talk English, Walk English
it happened to be English and fortunately it has gained over other European languages...
Posted by
vengatramanan
Jun 7, 2009 07:56 pm
i mean English pushed the fast forward button on us...and the result would have been the same if any of the Europeans rules us...it happened to be English and fortunately it has gained over other European languages...
Talk English, Walk English
leave out the French and the developed westerners...im talking about the rest of the world...or the 3 world...
now do we have had many who talked about liberty and freedom...
Posted by
vengatramanan
Jun 7, 2009 07:53 pm
Shoaibji,leave out the French and the developed westerners...im talking about the rest of the world...or the 3 world...
now do we have had many who talked about liberty and freedom...
Talk English, Walk English
what percentage of Indians interact with the world...interactions, i mean all, cant be face to face...we need/needed English to understand/know ideas...for example we would not have known what liberty and freedom is but for Pandits in English...
Posted by
vengatramanan
Jun 6, 2009 07:45 pm
I'd still go for English...What kind of output we see in the Indian languages (intellectual)...theres been nothing...what percentage of Indians interact with the world...interactions, i mean all, cant be face to face...we need/needed English to understand/know ideas...for example we would not have known what liberty and freedom is but for Pandits in English...
Lessons From Another Lahore Tragedy
" they all thought we were crazy for living without domestic help and cleaning our own toilets but now that it is two late they are having second thoughts"
so many indians share the feeling with your siblings in pakistan
Posted by
vengatramanan
Apr 6, 2009 08:28 am
Hamidm," they all thought we were crazy for living without domestic help and cleaning our own toilets but now that it is two late they are having second thoughts"
so many indians share the feeling with your siblings in pakistan
Lessons From Another Lahore Tragedy
and choosing Wall Street itself shows their intelligence...
Please read Fooled by Randomness and Black Swan...hes putforth very beautifully what i am trying to say
Posted by
vengatramanan
Apr 6, 2009 04:25 am
and stop claiming your IITians/IIMians will solve all world problems...Wall Street has made possible for anybody to have a look at their prowess...and choosing Wall Street itself shows their intelligence...
Please read Fooled by Randomness and Black Swan...hes putforth very beautifully what i am trying to say
Lessons From Another Lahore Tragedy
Nkg,
this is a statement i dont believe in...and I am not going to talk about how Ambanis made their riches...GT knows better how Tata and Birla made money...
nobody deserves more than the other...and stop the fiddling with greatness of the Indian mind and its knowledge...
accept the Pakistanis have more spine...can we create a single suicide bomber who can kill himself for his belief...
Posted by
vengatramanan
Apr 6, 2009 04:22 am
you get what you deserveNkg,
this is a statement i dont believe in...and I am not going to talk about how Ambanis made their riches...GT knows better how Tata and Birla made money...
nobody deserves more than the other...and stop the fiddling with greatness of the Indian mind and its knowledge...
accept the Pakistanis have more spine...can we create a single suicide bomber who can kill himself for his belief...
Lessons From Another Lahore Tragedy
im not in favour of the Taliban ruling but my view is that people would feel more empowered...you just have to become a Taliban...all gates will open...
if you look at any society (atleast the east's) majority of the people live in an abysmally poor set-up and atiny minority's will is imposed as the country's will...if you look at that minority not many would have come up playing fair...
so its all fair in the game...atlease in a Talibized set-up you could kill a politician you dont like at will...:D
Posted by
vengatramanan
Apr 6, 2009 04:06 am
Nkg,im not in favour of the Taliban ruling but my view is that people would feel more empowered...you just have to become a Taliban...all gates will open...
if you look at any society (atleast the east's) majority of the people live in an abysmally poor set-up and atiny minority's will is imposed as the country's will...if you look at that minority not many would have come up playing fair...
so its all fair in the game...atlease in a Talibized set-up you could kill a politician you dont like at will...:D
Lessons From Another Lahore Tragedy
"we go for yoga to control sexual emotion but muslas try to cover the entire female body, as if that is the reason for such problem"...
thinking icon...
Posted by
vengatramanan
Apr 6, 2009 04:01 am
Nkg,"we go for yoga to control sexual emotion but muslas try to cover the entire female body, as if that is the reason for such problem"...
thinking icon...
Lessons From Another Lahore Tragedy
Posted by
vengatramanan
Apr 6, 2009 01:52 am
and the mental fatigue of public vis-a-vis the regular politicians would propel them to move towards Taliban...
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