Access Denied sensual,and very touching.. the story made me cry!

Prosthesis Yes syd, I noticed few mistakes, emailed the editor!
I am aweful when it comes to editing!!! I know I know
Padash Thanks.. you "Rawk" girl!!!

The Spirit of Indus Valley swapnavasadutta Pakistan has the same right of accession to Kashmir which India has forcefully applied on Hyderabad..
We don't believe in aggression..Cosmetic!!!
The right of plebiscite is the constitutional and legal right of every Kashmiri living in south asia. Pakistan supports UN charter. If India agrees for a third party plebiscite under UN, Pakistan will volunteer first to hold the elections. Pakistan from last 62 years is committed to the Kashmir cause. In the last 62 years Pakistan has never refused to hold third party elections, It is India!
As far as Azad jammu and Kashmir is concerned ,they are independent in their decisions except Pakistan is giving legislative and administrative support.well yeah with a hegemonic India sitting on the border I doubt an independent Kashmir without the support of Pakistan can survive..
NKG, I don't answer right wing idiocy!
Riaz Thanks!

The Spirit of Indus Valley swapvasvadutta, separatist movement is in Indian Kashmir not in Pakistani. As a federation we DO NOT recognize Kashmir (Pakistani) as a province. They have their own prime minister. Their funding and legislative bodies are different. They DO not sit in Pakistani federal Parliament...They are just given administrative and legislative support!
Pakistani Kashmir is autonomous, well Pakistani administered Kashmir in right words! In case if they want to later form a union with their Indian counter parts, Pakistan does not have any say in it. If UN hold a plebe site it will be in both regions equally. We support the bigger Kashmiri cause.
Agantuk, the debate here is about peace. India and Pakistan.. Your questions about 1971 have been answered thoroughly!

The Spirit of Indus Valley Thanks Riaz...Agantuk hope you have received the answer.
And well there is still a lot to the story. the behari refugees shuffling between Pakistan and India!

The Spirit of Indus Valley Agantruk no one in Pakistan is ignorant of the history. The dilemma with history is that the one who win the war writes their own chapters. We don't have any ample evidence except the separatist propaganda,based on anti Pakistani sentiments. The instances of those 6 months are repeated again and again by Indians as a blame game, but on the other hand there is a stark silence on Kashmir issue..1971 is past Kahsmir is real.. Lets say if pakistani army was evil are Indians any better?
All the listed atrocities does not still justify India's aggression in Bengal.. India is not the peace keeper UN is,,
If sovereign countries start doing the same the role of UN and peace keeping becomes redundant.
But then we live in age of aggression...
On a last note I used the example as an evidence of genuine feelings of hate. Pakistani's do take Indian hegemony as a danger to their own sovereignty. Which in turns results in an arms race..
1971 and its events are not a part of the debate. Just an example of how Pakistanis perceive India..

The Spirit of Indus Valley NKG, People Like you, I bet there are few from our side as well, are also responsible for arms race. Atomic bomb is not created by our states. It reflects sentiments of hate by people like you!
And some how it makes me realize that why partition happened in first place!

The Spirit of Indus Valley nkg Mohammed Bin qasim did not build Harrapa and Mohanjodaro.. your argument is based on another premise.
Pinku, see the whole problem is again blame game and interference. Now fire is a very twisted word. It is same as saying that since there is a separatists movement in lets say east punjab and Pakistanis should fund it.
Or muslim Chinese are being prosecuted and we should step in.. right?
Lets admit today that if some thing was wrong in 1971, India was not a peace keeping force to interfere in bengal.. we had UN.. we had security council. After that episode people of Pakistan, have genuine fears that India wants disintegration of their country through force.
As far as Pakistani army raping women then buddy lets hypothetically that if they did it was quite a few number as compared to Jammu and Kashmir..I am here by no means defending the military action in 1971. India left little choice. And if Pakistan had not send the troops Dhaka would have fallen 6 months before. It is again a cause and affect theory which history proved that it was true!
The human atrocities done by occupation are horrific in Kashmir..If we want to put a blindfold for human atrocities because of nationalism, patriotism then it is a different ISSUE..
Bengal might be bigger but the whole so called operation of Pakistan army was less than 6 months India is in Kashmir for last 63 years.
Oh wait not India ,Indian security forces.We don't want kahsmir, not the Pakistani people. we want kashmiris to have right of plebiscite under united nations.The only interference we should do is to support their cause in UN, we are and we will! Give them freewill let them decide what they want. There movement is 63 years old, and they also need to voice their opinion and finish the business which Mountbatten started.
A) It will solve the arms race between India and Pakistan
B)It will create conducive conditions for long term peace.
C)The amount India is spending on Kahsmir just to hold the peace of land is way more than it is worth. The money can rightly go to slums,poverty alleviation and development.
And Pinku if there are few Muslims and more Hindus and there is peace why don't the army goes back in cantonments?
It is high time for both Pakistan and India to stop interfering in the domestic affairs of the other.
It creates hostility,hate and distrust at a micro level.Hence Pakistan has no right to interfere..United nations is the body. United nations should go and hold plebiscite as it did in east Timur. Make them a separate state. Or whatever they want!
Now hate created distrust, which is then used as a vote card by right wing parties on both sides.
Politics of hate needs to be stopped! Lets talk about future! Lets talk about peace.
Surely we don't want to give inheritance of loss to our future generations. They should inherit peace not a 63 year old feud.!

The Spirit of Indus Valley Agantuk the debate here is not about saving Kashmirs or begalis the main argument is whether a neighbor has a right to interfere in the domestic issues of other country???What is the writ of the state?
As far as pakistan army in 1971 is concerned.. it was as much as bengali as it was pakistani!..The whole 1971 scenario is a long debate..
There are 40 separatist movements going on in India and to some level in pakistan as well..
so does it mean that we start interfering in each others affairs?
Now on Kashmir issue... yes it is a generous act of Pakistan that it is holding back and not interfering in kashmir any more.. (well not as much as they use to)..
And ZAB was right when he said that we would built a greater Pakistan..

The Spirit of Indus Valley agentuk...
In kashmir daily women are raped. There is LEGAL occupation....Daily men ,childern and women are killed in name of keeping peace. Does it gives Pakistan a right to interfere in the internal scheme of things in India?
If no.. then yes India had no right to interfere in Pakistani bengal.. !!

The Spirit of Indus Valley agantuk my answer is same as the answer of our leader!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYHUJBRRnc4

The Spirit of Indus Valley Yes I mentioned in the article as well that in longterm China is the enemy of India not pakistan..
Oh For sure if Pakistan can sell its bomb to libya and Iran.. but then we are talking of a bigger Doomsday..
And on a peace note our fellow Indians should think about exporting AR REhman's music rather than bullets!!

The Spirit of Indus Valley On average between 2.5 to 3% and it is same for Pakistan. Mind you both countries don't report the expenditure on research and development of arms. So this figure is doubtful. I agree that since India has a larger population the expenditure translates to a lower per capita amount.. I mentioned it before. But when you draw these figures in a DSGE or time series frame work the shocks are negative on long term growth.
Now every thing aside does it justify the arms race?

Cobra is n't is pathetic that we spend our money on bombs and then go ask western donor agency for poverty alleviation!!

The Spirit of Indus Valley cobra sir.. India has the 4th largest military after Usa,china and Russia(Sipri 2009).India has the GNI percapita of 970$ (world bank 2007), and the prevalence of under weight children is highest in the world. Almost 37% of the population lives below the poverty line.
And then if you think that diverting resources will make a small dent than you live in a dream world!!!
And for pakistan the statistics are not that good either. we spend way more per capita on defense because we are a small country.Our GNI per capita is 870$ and the poverty level is almost near. It is a game theory model(sen) where one incumbent has to spend more to match.
I think this arm race is ridiculous at least economically..

The Spirit of Indus Valley DM sahab.. in literature of economics there is a lot of references on the military spending which is used as expansionary policy in a Keynesian frame work(Deger and smith).
But in our case it is more like an arms race. I doubt that making a gouri or a prithvi can increase long term growth. Unless we go and market it and sell it to other rogue nations.Do you think that it is sensible to spend a huge amount on defense when both nations are developing. When we spend 1 rupee per person on defense (pakistan) we have a growth shock of almost 10 years.
Peace and economics are correlated. Integrate the markets peace will become a sufficient condition..
ps
Oh yes I remember nendra specially on salamis,(sehra bandi).
I wonder if it is still practiced in punjab!

The Spirit of Indus Valley Nemesis thanks ,you just proved the premise of my whole argument!!!
Mystic my post was the answer to your gujrat post go reread!
Skeptical thanks!