The Importance of Natural Selection Dada,

It's the outcome huge manufacturing unit that also produces some faulty goods.

Though there's no clitoris in the rearend ppl crave for it. I have not given much thought to it in full measure. Sorry:(

The Importance of Natural Selection I'll explain Natural Selction in our simple language Zeebhai.

Why many Indians/Pakistanis seek visas to western countries? Natural Selction! Yes it is!

We have food, social security here & lots of freedoms we as humans crave for. We adjust our presence to the places where we feel we can thrive and procreate without let or hindrance.

Species too adjust so that they can thrive & multiply and multiplication is the code written into all the living beings of this world.

The Importance of Natural Selection If ppl had their way, this earth wud still be flat and the heavens are in the stars (though they are hell-hot). Quest for truth shall continue as long as we live.......the beauty of scientific inquiry is that it can negate itself at the altar of truth. So the chariot of truth trundle thru the broadway of ignorance.....

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Dash ur post 24 is a very good point on our creator (Dada, it's no rebuff 2 u).

The Importance of Natural Selection a. one side

b. subverting

We may not find that truth but keep trying and refining our knowledge of this world in the process.

The Importance of Natural Selection We have Dawrin (who questioned religious fundamentals) on ones side and Queen Elizabeth on the other (defender of the religion) side on £5 notes, whihc I think is the powerful way of suberting religion. We need to explore the world around us to seek the ultimte truth. We may not find but keep trying and refining our knowledge of this world.

Believers of all religions can keep believing in their books. We defend ur right to believe. Pl let us have our own right to believe in whichever we want to believe.

Color-Blind Love # 82,

Why Abbassid alone? Even Mughals kept gori concubines in their harem. Some of them were given to gora diplomats for good time.

Color-Blind Love Well written (with a couple of his usual humour).

As for God of Muslims and Jews (or for that matter Christians) it's one and the same. The fact was confimred by the King of Arabia recently (with the concurrence of Wahabi family).

Conservative Muslims deny that they glorify/worship Jewish prophets/figures starting with Abraham, Musa, Isa and horrible of all the most famous Jewish King David (as Dawood).

The only Muslim prophet was Muhammed. Rest of them were Jews.

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Corss-pollination had to take place in this world. Arabs did it big time on Mesopotamians & Egyptians to begin with followed by campaigns in northern Africa. Europeans did in South America, Oz & NZ.

I always wonder why arabs conquered Sindh but refused to hybridise our peoples? :(
Persians helped us later on as a consolation.


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I met a Bangaldeshi Muslim who married a Russian Jew.They live in Israel. He speaks fluent Russian and German. His views on Islam are liberal and he thinks that Palestenians make a mountain outta molehill (regular clashes etc.,)!?!?!

Hypnotherapy: Mind-Body Interactions Ms. Zehra,

Sorry if I am late :(

It's long long ago and I still remember the last guy was in trance/sleeping with only two stools 1 @ head other at feet. He's like a stick even when a man was made to stand on his stomach.

My own experience is that it I became number and bumber however I didnt cooperate fully therefore it ended soon after.

I am convinced that hypnotism works. :))

Hypnotherapy: Mind-Body Interactions There're many hypnotherapists in Hyderabad. I myself was part of a live hypno act by Prof. BV Pattabhiram. Though I cudnt go to the final stage of hypnotism :(

The ANP Challenge Yasserbhai,

I hate to agree with you but I do now. :)

Why not hang Surabjit Singh? Good news that Mr. Ansar Burney is going to India to work for the release of Pakistani prisoners and meet the family members of Sarabjit.

Jeo Ansar.

The ANP Challenge I mean restart the whole debate all over again on another board :)

The ANP Challenge Majumdarda,

I always maintained that the leaders are not Gods. They are mortlas and lemme make it public the private msg of my friend Yasser (with due apologies to Yasser for making it public as it's a matter of extreme necessity).

He too believes that the top leadership of Freedom struggle were humans as well and therefore were fallible. It's difficult for him to admit that in public.

The ANP Challenge Yasserbhai,

///////Sir Syed Ahmed Khan and others also ascribed to the view that English jurisprudence was perfectly Islamic and according to Sharia and Jinnah being a lawyer who believed in British justice system did not believe his religion was in conflict with modern life.///////

This is comparable with a political statement. Amputation, eye4eye justice system is NOT compatible with English jurisprudence. In similar vein, eating pork and drinking whiskey is also not compatible with Islam. I dont know how Ahmed Khan and Jinnah thought that way.

As for Deobandi school of Islam, they are not gun toting fundoos, esp in India. If they did in Pakistan it's bcoz ISI gave them. Deobandis supply the syllabi of the madrasas & that doesn't include political education abt fighting Soviets/US.

They sided with Indian national leadership all thru. If they are eligible to be called as anti-Pakistani from ur pov, so be it.

Yaar, 750+ is a good record. Lets restart this on another board.

The ANP Challenge Since Yasser made a chargesheet against the Ghaffar Khan and his legacy, I am constrained to reply the chragesheet seriatim:

#737 Posted by MantoLives on March 26, 2008 6:30:59 am

////////Jinnah leaving constitutional means and ways doesn't mean he was calling on people to kill Hindus. No honest person will accuse him of it. Name one opponent of Jinnah... Gandhi, Nehru, Patel or Azad .. who opposed Jinnah of violence. Not a single one. Not even your Bacha Khan. Nor have you been able to produce a single statement from Jinnah calling for violence./////////

Yasser is using lawyerly tricks here. Jinnah was indeed resposnible for the violence everywhere. If Gandhi, Nehru didnt name im coz they're hoping against hope abt the partition of India and Jinnah was the key person who can stall it.

Yasser is plain moron to say that nobody accused Jinnah of DAD violence.

Patel did it. Nehru did it. Maulana Azad did it. Gandhi was busy touring the country against the tide of communal virus
spread by Jinnah the Serpent. Even Wavell sought clarification on the violence. This pro-ML GG sought explantionas from Jinnah, Suhrawardy abt the DAD violence but never from Gandhi, Nehru or Azad.

/////////1. Bacha Khan and his family have a history of flip flops on the issue of whether they are part of Pakistan or whether they are separatists. ///////////

Jinnah did a lot of them. Jinnah was a staunch nationalist and later a staunch secessionist. That the mother of all flipflops.

//////////2. The "Secular" Bacha Khan Family has been closely allied to Maulana Mufti Mahmood and the anti-Pakistan Deobandi Fanatics (the forerunner of the taliban).//////////

Deobandis were not fanatics. The Deobandis were not anti-Pakistani (which is a loaded point coz they knew that it's impossible to relocate every Muslim in India to an Utopia promised by Jinnah coz there're Muslims in every village of India) but staunch nationalists, lest they be seen as gaddaars.

The vital point I forgot to mention was that Deobandi school of Islam came into being after the famous book of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan on the reasons for the failure of 1857 Uprising. One of his points was that Islam lost its true essence in India and Deobandi School of Islam was supposed to reinvigorate it. So Deobandis were not religious extermists but a School of puritanical Islam.

Btw, Yasser had no answer to the question of Jinnah's promise abt Sharia in Pakistan.

///////3. The banned NAP's leaders were part of the Nizam-e-Mustafa movement in 1977 which brought down the Bhutto government in the name of Islam. This included Bacha Khan's daughter in law: Begum Nasim Wali Khan./////////

Bhutto himself hobobbed with fundoos and he's infact the progenitor of funddoism in Pakistan.

///////4. Wali Khan and his family were released by General Zia. Ghani Khan proudly received Sitara-e-Imtiaz from General Zia. So much for being principled and anti-dictatorship. ////////

I dont see any wrong in receiving a civilian honour. If they had refused it, Yasser wud have branded them as anti-nationals. Cant have it both ways, khotey!


/////////5. The ANP collaborated with ISI-engineered IJI of Nawaz Sharif in 1990 and then was part of the army-backed extreme right-wing anti-PPP foces of the 1990s.////////

The implication is that ANP was cohoot with ISI an IJI? How does that sound khotey lawyer? ISI is a staunch Pakistani body and ANP are supposed to be anti-national. How can they join hands together (in theory)? Why opposition to PPP is called anti-national?

Political alignments take place every country in this world. U r stacking canards against ANP leaders.

///////6. Bacha Khan was in touch with Fakir of Ipi and his insurgency against Pakistan. Bacha Khan himself said on several occasions that Pakistan would not be based on Sharia and pathans should rise up against Pakistan. He promised that Pathanistan would be based on Pukhtun traditions and Sharia.////////

Bachu Yasser, Ipi was againt Jinnah. Seond point is that Jinnah himself did several flipflops in his mothered life.

///////7. Hayat Sherpao or not - ANP has been involved in high profile assassinations and feuds.////////

Sherpao murder acusation is a dud. What other assisinations do u have in the hat?

///////8. Dr. Khan Saheb was a leader in his own right. He is listed as a great leader by the ANP... and his cause was taken up by Wali Khan in his book LIES ARE SACRED. So why do you get upset when I point out his establishment contacts and his role in the Republican Party? If one talks of Saifullahs one points out that two brothers are in PML-Q and one in the PPP. Does it mean we should not mention one side of the family altogether?///////


Salman can answer this better.


//////Also I don't understand why people like you try and equate Bacha Khan, a small regional leader with a national leader like Jinnah who in effect introduced your Bacha Khan as a leader.///////

This concept of small and big is in ur mind khotey lawyer. Ghafar Khan was a popular leader who's known all over Indian subcontinent. It's laughable that Jinnah introduced Ghaffar Khan.

As what?


//////(On the issue of direct action day, I already demolished this accusation in several other posts and you can go and see them.)///////

Jinnah stood as accused even to this very moment. How come u exonerate that Serpent??

The ANP Challenge #737 Posted by MantoLives on March 26, 2008 6:30:59 am

//Jinnah leaving constitutional means and ways doesn't mean he was calling on people to kill Hindus. No honest person will accuse him of it. Name one opponent of Jinnah... Gandhi, Nehru, Patel or Azad .. who opposed Jinnah of violence. Not a single one. Not even your Bacha Khan. Nor have you been able to produce a single statement from Jinnah calling for violence.//

Yasser is using lawyerly tricks here. Jinnah was indeed resposnible for the violence everywhere. If Gandhi, Nehru didnt name im coz they're hoping against hope abt the partition of India and Jinnah was the key person who can stall it.

Yasser is plain moron to say that nobody accused him of DAD violence.

Patel did it. Nehru did it. Maulana Azad did it. Gandhi was busy touring the country against the tide of communal virus
spread by Jinnah the Serpent.


//1. Bacha Khan and his family have a history of flip flops on the issue of whether they are part of Pakistan or whether they are separatists. //

Jinnah did a lot of them. Jinnah was a staunch nationalist and later a secessionist. That the mother of all flipflops.

///2. The "Secular" Bacha Khan Family has been closely allied to Maulana Mufti Mahmood and the anti-Pakistan Deobandi Fanatics (the forerunner of the taliban).///

Deobandi were not fanatics. The Deobandis were not anti-Pakistani (which is a loaded point coz they knew that it's impossible to relocate every Muslim in India to an Utopia promised by Jinnah coz there're Muslims in every village of India) but staunch nationalists, lest they be seen as gaddaars.

Btw, Yaser had no answer to the question of Jinnah's promise abt Sharis in Pakistan.

//3. The banned NAP's leaders were part of the Nizam-e-Mustafa movement in 1977 which brought down the Bhutto government in the name of Islam. This included Bacha Khan's daughter in law: Begum Nasim Wali Khan.///

Bhutto himself hobobbed with fundoos and he's infact the progenitor of funddosim in Pakistan.

///4. Wali Khan and his family were released by General Zia. Ghani Khan proudly received Sitara-e-Imtiaz from General Zia. So much for being principled and anti-dictatorship. ///

I dont see any wrong in receiving a civilian honour. If they had refused it, Yasser wud have branded them as anti-nationals. Cant have it both ways, khotey!

///5. The ANP collaborated with ISI-engineered IJI of Nawaz Sharif in 1990 and then was part of the army-backed extreme right-wing anti-PPP foces of the 1990s.///

The implication is that ANP was cohoot with ISI an IJI? How does that sound khotey lawyer. ISI is a staunch Pakistani boy and ANP are supposed to be anti-national.

Political alignments take place every country in this world. U r stacking canards against ANP leaders.

//6. Bacha Khan was in touch with Fakir of Ipi and his insurgency against Pakistan. Bacha Khan himself said on several occasions that Pakistan would not be based on Sharia and pathans should rise up against Pakistan. He promised that Pathanistan would be based on Pukhtun traditions and Sharia.///

Bachu Yasser, Ipi was againt Jinnah. Seond point is that Jinnah himself did several flipflops in his mothered life.

//7. Hayat Sherpao or not - ANP has been involved in high profile assassinations and feuds.///

Sherpao murder acusation is a dud. What other assisinations u have?

///8. Dr. Khan Saheb was a leader in his own right. He is listed as a great leader by the ANP... and his cause was taken up by Wali Khan in his book LIES ARE SACRED. So why do you get upset when I point out his establishment contacts and his role in the Republican Party? If one talks of Saifullahs one points out that two brothers are in PML-Q and one in the PPP. Does it mean we should not mention one side of the family altogether?//

Salman can answer this better.


///Also I don't understand why people like you try and equate Bacha Khan, a small regional leader with a national leader like Jinnah who in effect introduced your Bacha Khan as a leader.//

This concept of small and big is in ur mind khotey lawyer. Ghafar Khan was a popular leader known all over the Indian subcontinent. It's laughable that Jinnah introduced Ghaffar Khan?? As what?


///(On the issue of direct action day, I already demolished this accusation in several other posts and you can go and see them.)///

Jinnah stood as accused evern to this very moment. How come u exonerate that Serpent??