Remembering the Jallianwala Bagh, Gandhi, Churchill and Jinnah The British officials - civil bureaucrats or police - were NEVER allowed to take up jobs in Britain post-47 as the Govt there found them unfit for employement in Bitish society which means that the British cudnt take oppressive babus there.

However we NEVER tried to civilize our babus, police even after 60 years of Independence. Probably we'll never do. The result is all for us see everyday everywhere in our Subcontinent.




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It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India Zee,

That's BS (self-determination 3-way option of azadi, merger with India or Pakistan). Azadi is never an option as per the dispute btw India and Pakistan.

The basis for dispute in this Indian Princely state is that the King acceded to India when he faced aggression from irregulars from Pakistan dominion.

As per India Independene Act this Pricnely state got to go to Pakistan based on demography but Pakistani irregulars problem khada kardiya tha. Hence India came into picture. Else Kashmir wud have been urs. U guys cudnt wait till it happened.

Much water flowed in Indus since this happened.

We cant follow the UN route for the solution coz the state in no longer what it was in 1948. India is in a position to say no to the 'solutions' proferred by Pakistan now. It cud get much worse in future when India gains more strength in terms of economic clout and nuclear might.

So there.

It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India Zee,

We know each other's viewpoint. So I dont like to argue but make a suggestion. This way we can get rid of our respective floatsam.

Pakistan can get rid of all the willing minorities (Hindu, Sikhs, Isais and prolly Mohajirs), Ahmadis and India can exchange them for separatist Kashmiris.

U can get superior race Muslims and get rid of unwanted muttarwas and minorities.

It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India FV has risen from slumber and iloged the petition of some acdemics from nowherepura!

Whereas another Indian Muslim i.e Murad Baig claimed that Valley is self-sufficient and therfore desreves independence

but

the ilog talks abt the economic blockade that criipled the lives there.

Though there's an attempt to block traffic to/from Valley recently it was not that it sustained for many days. It's as if the Valley was never under 24 hr curfew for weeks an weeks together. It's a lie that's being used by separaists and pro-separatists like Mahboobas and FVs.

The Recommendations as enlisted in the petition:

Recommendations:

1. The Government of India should immediately end the economic blockade and ensure that goods and services, including emergency medical and food supplies, can move in both directions along the Srinagar-Jammu border.

A: There's no bloackade and Governor himself ensured it.

2. The Government of India should open the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad road, a promise repeatedly reiterated by successive governments of India and Pakistan, though never implemented. This would ensure that the current crisis situation is not repeated as well as mark a concrete step forward in addressing injustices and the peace process.

A: It's the sovereign decision of GoI along with GoP to decide.

3. Take immediate action to stop the violence against the Muslim minority in Jammu and bring those responsible to justice.

A: Why nobody talks abt violence against Hindu-minoty in the valley for years? Btw, there're some instances of hut burning by 'some' miscreants in Jammu (isolated). Hindus and Muslims are together in Jammu as it's evident from news reports.

4. Put an end to ongoing human rights abuses by Indian forces and pro-India militias as repeatedly promised by the Indian Prime Minister and expected of democratic governments.

A: HR violations is a norm in India. Some Jammu Hindus were killed there. Some Hindu Gujjars were shot dead in northern India recently. Even 10-odd farmers were shot dead a few day ago by the 'Inian forces' in Uttar Pradesh.

There're NO pro-India militias there. There used to be Ikhwanis but not now. Btw, Farzana is OK with pro-Paaki militias. What a wh%$+!

5. Take steps for a long-term resolution of the conflict by beginning talks with all sections of the Kashmiri leadership and civil society.

A: We now that long-term solution doesn include complete accesion to India! Right?

6. Take steps to hold the Indian state accountable under the provisions established by the Constitution of Jammu and Kashmir, Constitution of India, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and International Laws and Conventions.

A: It's a natural process. However the Hurriyat never recognises Indian laws then wherew the argument?

It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India There are some in Karnataka, Kerala and TN. I now of a Kashmiri who married an Iyer girl there.

It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India Ekalavya, thi is a few weeks ago.

http://chowk.com/articles/kashmir-experiencing-hyderabad-raoof-mir.htm

(S ome excerpts)

Kashmiri’s recently have started moving to southern states of India as well where they are experiencing a very different response than what most of Kashmiri’s experienced in Northern states of India. One of such states where Kashmiri’s have recently started inflowing is Andhra Pradesh. In the city of Hyderabad loads of Kashmiri’s have arrived. Most of these Kashmiri’s have either came for business purposes, educational purposes or to settle here by taking several professions in different sectors.

Students from Kashmir have secured numerous seats in reputed institutions from last four years. In university of Hyderabad, which is a central government institution declared by University Grants Commission (UGC) as a “university with potential for excellence” about ten students have secured admissions only in last two years.

“It is almost 3000 kilometers that we have traveled all the way from Kashmir only to acquire some cultural capital and to get reformed” says Mushtaq Dar, a student of M.Phil from political science.


Hyderabad, now one of the most important cities of India has proved to be an employment destination for some section of the Kashmiri’s. Most are recruited in bank sector and IT sectors.

It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India #26 Posted by Ras on August 15, 2008 11:01:40 pm

Ras,

Kashmir is indeed having self-rule (if that doesnt mean independence). Kashmir is ruled by themselves.

Unlike other states, Kashmir had its own flag, Constitution and it's not like other states of India i.e. electins take place every 6 years i/o 5 years (other states).

The Union govt had limited powers visavias Kashmir. India didnt allow outsiders to settle there as Pakistan did in its part of Kashmir (or as China did in Tibet and Xinjiang). This preservation has become our undoing now.

If settlement means ceding Valley to Pakistan then I am sorry it's not going happen. In the meanwhile u guys can send ghazis and we're ready for shooting practice.

It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India Partha,

Cant diasgree on the links u gave. It's indeed those ppl who gave ammunition to the separatists. Secondly the nonchalant attitude of the Union govt, aggressive Hindutva of RSS coupled with faslehoods propagated by the Valley leadership contributed to this mess in Kashmir now. The Pakistan factor just happened for no fault of its own. It's the Hurriyat pl who flaunted it. There's no Riaz Khokar in Dehli now. ;)

It's clear now that Union govt dont have any policy or pulse on the hapenings in Kashmir.

Left liberalism is admirable in open societies but plz do remember that ppl like u wud be hauled on coals in Islamic countries. Communist Paty of India who voted for creation of Pakistan cudnt open shop there. Therefore pl dont feed milk to snakes.

A Strategy For Real Agricultural Prosperity Mr. Baig,

Well researched but looks like C&P in some areas. ;)

Agriculture in India can be upgraded to supply food to the first world but we're unable to do it now. U mentioned many valid points......

In my view

1. The Land Reforms were not implemented in India completely.

2. Most of the argiculture data is borne by 'estimates'. The data if had is not analysed by Agricultural Economists. Btw, we dont have many guys in the field to advise govts on that subject.

3. We dont have enuff Agl Unis in India. We need at least one uni for a cluster 5-6 dists. If not Unis we need Agl colleges that are active in research and active field work.

4.Misuse of ground water is going to suck India into a future crisis.

5. We shud never have the mass waiver of loans aross India except in cases whee there's a pressing urgency. It shudnt be pan-INdian.

6. India can devise products in Agl finance, Insurance and marketing (incl intl marketing).

Unrelated but valid.

7. We shudnt have Zilla Collectors in India. Collector was the relic of British Raj. Collector is asically a land revenue Collector with sweeping powers to administer Raj in the zilla of his jurisdiction. That way we need,

8. Administative Reforms to make the admin of rural India dynamic.

(I dont like to write a long post, so I end it here tho so much can be written on this topic)

And then there was The Impeachment Issue… Zee,

U r such a madcap that every Indian who turns up on CHowk is a Hindu. Cant u be more dumber than that? It almost osunds like an abusive word. U a true sullah here.

Shah is the surname of most the Jains in Gujarat. It's out of my depth that why a bania community (Jains are banias) took the Persian surname as their own.

The Indian Mujahideen – The Answer to BJP’s Pseudo-Secularist Fascism or a New Method to Spread Unrest? Zee, it's the division of labour. Who drafted the msg wud not be the person who assembled the bombs or who placed them.

From India or Pakistan the bombings in Iarq wud look hazy (or it's Muslims Vs others) but in Iraq it's the AQ Sunnis who bombed Shias outta existence.

U r smart enuf to know the stuff.

The Indian Mujahideen – The Answer to BJP’s Pseudo-Secularist Fascism or a New Method to Spread Unrest? Rupani,

U can check my Galley (esp the Gujarat's Shame) to know if I am VHP or not.

Why u spelt Gujarat wronly as Gujrat & removed ur pix from ur page?

The Indian Mujahideen – The Answer to BJP’s Pseudo-Secularist Fascism or a New Method to Spread Unrest? Rupani has removed his picture from his page.

Ahmedabad Blasts: Numbed Apathy and The Conspiracy Of Our Resilience Sorry for ur loss Lalit.

Where do u live in Ahd?

Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India Asadi,

U promised to be good (to vengataramanan) yesterday but u called GT a barbarian 2day.

Have read his posts here or b4? If u did, u'd change ur views. If u forgot, he supported u when u were banned at regular intervals.

dost_mitter and others,

I visited a couple of villages nr my place after became Chowk member (b4 that I, like many, never thought Muslims as a separate quam here).

They are well-off, by and large. They live in the upper caste locality of villages. None of them is a dhobi, chamar, barber, coolie or rick-puller. These menial jobs are done by Hindu lower caste guys. Muslims like upper caset men have rice mills, lorry businesses, shops but some do lesser jobs eg. buthcer, tailoring, watch-repairing etc.,

Nobody addresses them, 'u bloody Musla'.

I dont know why Muslims are painted as victims here. With ref to Gujarat or Maharashtra, the situation is different with varying degrees.

Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India Nope I didnt get that guys. gtg sorry.