Dr. Bari\'s Toothache Actually, the story was typed very carelessly by the chowk people. So, I may make a few changes in structure of sentences and may slightly shorten it to suit for publication.

samar

Dr. Bari\'s Toothache ps : may make a few changes which I could not understand due to splelling mistakes...

Dr. Bari\'s Toothache Great story indeed! May I translate it into Hindi. I m sure, any editor would like to publish it. pl reply soon.

samar

Saawariya Targets Eternal Love #2, Indian,
What u say is childish and arrogant. There is no ban in Pak as far as writing on a romantic films like Saawariya goes. Even political activities are reported freely in newspapes and on TV. It is good for us that at least some Pakis talk reasonably about Indians, though I am not sure if Ras Siddiqui is Paki or not. U should only comment on the film and the related article. Article is informative but the author should have waited to watch the movie and should have published a full review.

Mumbai\'s Farida Khanum Fiasco Indians, particularly metro-Indians have become business men. Whatever they do must do for money. Even intellectual and religious gatherings are turned into sort of advertisements and pomp and show. They dont know this have made them look cheap and vulgar. No surprise Nasiruddin Shah skipped the function. I feel sorry for the great singer of the Indian subcontinent. A few years back similar incident took place in a concert of Ghulam Ali. But the money the organisers pay is too big to resist.

Whence Then is Evil? Re: # 208, teshah Saheb,

Thanks for reading and commenting on my posts. It has no doubt enriched my knowledge but you did not say anything on who is or what is meant by `devine`. My instinct says that the day human get to know what God is, whole universe including the Maya and beyond will explode and evaporate. Logic says it will never happen.

Samar

Whence Then is Evil? Re: # 202, teshah saheb

Glad you are back. Please explain what is `kun` and what is devine? If divine is outside universe then where is that ``outside`` and who created it?

This is all ``round and round`` (masadi saheb) and ``CIRCULAR`` (PM) and endless and futile (me). But these intellectuals refuse to read or think on my comments in #176 183 184 and 195. Can you please read them and say something if you have time?

I think it is not just round and round or circular which would meet at some point again and may give these people some insight BUT it is a forward moving circle (ie spiral) which tricks the mover to believe that they are aproaching towards knowledge of God. But alas...!

What do you think?

Samar

Whence Then is Evil? masadi saheb,

``PM mian, you are confused and are going round and round in circles.``

Believe me, you all are going and will always go round and round in circles and could not FIND God as it has always been and will always be futile to find him. You may FEEL Him sometimes and He may not always appear to be what you think him to be or the religions and books tell you about Him. Prophets have many times tried to transmit their FEELINGS to their fellow beings but that is not possible for obvious reasons. That is the mystery of this whole thing.

Samar

Whence Then is Evil? *lies*

Whence Then is Evil? What you all are discussing in so many words is given in my post #176. You may go through it and sleep peacefully. In fact answer lied not in lengthy philosophical analysis but in simple mathematics.

Samar

Whence Then is Evil? God is or He is not
No Science and no religion can prove if God is or He is not. Because science works on hard facts requiring senses which are too inadaquate and small in comparison to the universe which is thought to be created by God to feel it. On the other hand religion depends upon belief which does not require senses. Both are vague because one can`t visualize beyond senses and the other refuses to use senses to see if He is at all there or not. For scientists God is too vast to feel and the religionists IN FACT don`t want to feel Him, they just believe that what they believe is true.

Samar

Whence Then is Evil? It appears match is going on between theists and atheists. Are the agnostics, the true believers, totally discarded?

Samar

Whence Then is Evil? Re: # 146, masadi saheb,

I said we can`t understand beyond our senses and reason is what our senses have derived/acquired the knowledge of the universe which evidently must again be limited. We can gain MORE and MORE knowledge which may be too vast to imagine today but still it will be limited because universe and the inside of the tiniest particle is infinite. So, we can`t know whether God is or not.

Samar

Whence Then is Evil? 143, Kal Saheb and Philosopher,

Humans have been given limited capacity of perception. They can`t see beyond speed of light, they can`t smell many things, they can`t express/understand/decipher many things. They have evolved the concept of infinity which they can`t visualize. So, they can`t know God. They can not say whether God exists or not. Similarly nothing is evil/good because many things which are good for humans are bad for other species of living beings and vice-versa. God/Nature or call it/Him anything has to look after everyone including non-living things so we, humans can`t decide which is good and which is evil. Universe is carrying on in its own way.

Samar

Whence Then is Evil? To not think of anything is metaphysics enough.

What do I think of the world?
Who knows what I think of it!
If I weren’t well then I’d think about it.

What’s my idea about matter?
What’s my opinion about causes and effects?
What are my thoughts on God and soul
And the creation of the world?
I don’t know. To think about such things would be to shut my eyes
And not think. It would be to close the curtains
Of my windows (which, however, has no curtains).

FERNANDO PESSOA

To think about God is to disobey God,
Since God wanted us not to know him,
Which is why he didn’t reveal himself to us…

Let’s be simple and calm,
Like the trees and streams,
And God will love us, making us
Us even as the trees are trees
And the streams are streams,
And will give us greenness in the spring, which is its season,
And a river to go to when we end…
And he’ll give us nothing more, since to give us more would make us less us.

FERNANDO PESSOA

Samar

Whence Then is Evil? Dr Saheb,

A good article. But I have doubt about the concept of good and evil. The creator has made everything as he chose to make. There is nothing evil as such. Even if we go with the concept of God as someone doing only good then too we can`t deny Him because he has created everything and has to see the wellbeing of each and every species including the non-living things. So, something that appears to be evil for the humans might be in fact good for some other species. If we judge Him with the sole perspective of humans it will be too selfish for us to do. God should not be expected to take our perspective into account. Therefor on this ground only we can not declare Him to be evil or good.

I have also published a similar article `God, Religion and spirituality` in `self publish`. Will you please read and comment on that. In my opinion, humans have been given limited senses and a limited capacity to use them so it is not possible to say for sure whether God exists or not. For example, it is not possible to explore anything beyond the speed of light. We can`t smell or hear as many animals can. Then, we can`t know what the non-living things are `doing`. As such, it is and it will be a futile exercise to search God. Those religions which believe in God may be spiritually and philosophically true but there are religions, like Buddhism, Jainism and many Hindoo scriptures too, which deny God and can`t be declared wrong. All religions have flourished with the backing of and served the purpose of the power/establishment.