The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 287

"They do not deny Islam is Abrahmic..."

That is complete BS!!!

No Christian considers Mohammad as a Prophet.....it is only Mohammad who told his cult followers to consider Jesus as one because he borrowed the entire theology from the Christians - especially the Christian cousin of Khadija!!

Mohammad USED his contrived Abrahmic lineage to kill , loot and plunder. There is NOTHING common between Jesus and Mohammad!!

And all that nonsense about that Yesu coming again and killing off non believers is just another nonsense invented by Mohammad and his followers to keep their hatred of kafirs and mushriques alive till eternity!!

Dhikkkar hai!!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 276

"...message of Christ and Mohammad. ......."

ONLY an Islamist would equate Christ's message with that of Mohammad.............

Ask a Christian if he would agree with your nonsensical view that tries to equate a rapist, paedophile , murderer and a bandit Mohammad with the character of Christ!!

You would get an egg on your face!!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 276

"Hopefully laddu's view doesn't represent modern Hindu thought in India. Otherwise our great religion and philosophy is in danger of obliteration from within."

Atleast your "dhimmi-allah-arse-licking" views are CERTAINLY NOT the views of hindu idolators like me!!

You can fool others but NOT a real idolator like me!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Abey Murad,

An Islamist troll like AnandaK (Ananda Kumar is a perfect give away!!) who mouths stupid Islamist propaganda and puts forth Allah-arse-licking-dhimmi platitudes announcing Arabic Bedouin superiority can only be 'appreciated' by you!!

Allah (aur apni buddhi haddhiyon) ka khauf khao- he might trip you.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 249

"Ditto with prophet Mohammad."

Abey Ullu ,

ditto with Mirza Saheb.!!

ditto with Prophet Bush!!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 220

".I dont think there is in metephorical abstract and essence iterpretative sense wrong with YOUR IDOLLATORY ( i ve been long wanting to say this to you)"

Senna ji,

This is what I have understood as the basic mis-understanding of Abrahmic faiths- they have got it ALL wrong about idolatory which is a stereo-type that was constructed by Abraham and then USED by Mohammad to kill, loot and rape the Pagan Polytheistic Faiths all around the world.

If you reject that stereo-type than you are already OUT OF the perversities of that Abrahmic faith and are entering into the liberating pagan Gnostic monotheistic and Monist beliefs!!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation 96:2Khalaqa alinsana min AAalaq
96:2 created man out of a clot


Nonsense!That so called "revelation" is based upon decapacitation and abortion of hundreds of kafir women wombs by the followers of that cult of rape and murder.

They used to observe the decapacitated foetus of kafir and idolator women appearing like the "clot" of blood.

Can any momeen tell if these stupid bedoiun had any idea about ovum that is equally responsible for human life??

"Clot" of blood - my foot!!!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation 96:2Khalaqa alinsana min AAalaq
96:2 created man out of a clot


Nonsense!That so called "revelation" is based upon decapacitation and abortion of hundreds of kafir women wombs by the followers of that cult of rape and murder.

They used to observe the decapacitated foetus of kafir and idolator women appearing like the "clot" of blood.

Can any momeen tell if these stupid bedoiun had any idea about ovum that is equally responsible for human life??

"Clot" of blood - my foot!!!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation 96:2Khalaqa alinsana min AAalaq
96:2 created man out of a clot


Nonsense!That so called "revelation" is based upon decapacitation and abortion of hundreds of kafir women wombs by the followers of that cult of rape and murder.

They used to observe the decapacitated foetus of kafir and idolator women appearing like the "clot" of blood.

Can any momeen tell if these stupid bedoiun had any idea about ovum that is equally responsible for human life??

"Clot" of blood - my foot!!!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation 96:2Khalaqa alinsana min AAalaq
96:2 created man out of a clot


Nonsense!That so called "revelation" is based upon decapacitation and abortion of hundreds of kafir women wombs by the followers of that cult of rape and murder.

They used to observe the decapacitated foetus of kafir and idolator women appearing like the "clot" of blood.

Can any momeen tell if these stupid bedoiun had any idea about ovum that is equally responsible for human life??

"Clot" of blood - my foot!!!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 118

"That god is then just like me -"

That is exactly we have been saying that Allah behaves exactly like Mohammad- he kills indiscriminately, he is jealous of other deities, he gets angry, he sits on a throne, he acts like a fascistic dictator, he creates kafirs and mushriques like me and then seals their hearts, he then asks momeens to kill them.

Allah can only be an alter ego of that perverted pedophile!!! We must reject this perverted and satanic deity before he consumes us with his hate!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 114

This is more incisive about why these monotheistic religions do not tolerate other faiths - this is because it is fascism in disguise-

"This ranking is a most disturbing result for the monotheists. Each monotheism is more interested in dominating the others than in doing something about the violence their extremist members initiate under one religious guise or another. Yet most monotheism adherents deeply believe theirs is a peaceful religion. Monotheism simply does not assure a peaceful society. Like democratization of totalitarian societies, reforms in the montheisms can only come from within. These are two sides of the same coin and change will not come quickly."

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 110

"Why the disconnect? Could it be that Monotheism itself is an expression of the Authoritarian Personality? Could it be that most of us are in denial, ignorant of the facts, or both? If we could answer these questions, we would have an improved understanding of violence, terror and war and view of possible ways forward."

This is exactly we idolators say- that Allah is the alter ego of Mohammad that was invented to justify his career in rapes, loots and banditry!!!

QED

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 108
Monotheism existed in ancient Greek and Hindu thought. Nothing wrong with it. But the manner in which it used to create the polarities (Angelic/Satanic), stereotyping ("idolators") in order to perpetuate their cults of hate is phenomenal.

Read this article!!

Monotheism & Violence
Updated 21 April 2007

Perceived Rates of Violence Associated with Religion

If Humanity does not change, it will destroy itself.
H G Wells

* Core Instigators: Sociopathic religious and secular extremists. Such people are quite able to hijack any hierarchical organization, such as a religion, business, or national government.
* Core Issues: On the causation side: Who's god is God? Who will rule the world? On the curative side: How can human population levels be limited to what the biosphere can safely sustain on both the local and world levels?
* Nature's Contribution: Will one society dictate to and subjugate all other societies in its fight for survival? This may be the way nature would have it, but is it right? (Our latest thinking here is that it is largely the Sociopath Next Door hijacking or co-opting hierarchical organizations and societies comprised predominently of Authoritarian Personalities at individual, community, state and world levels. For the American body politic, this involves an evolution from Manifest Destiny to American Interests -- a switch that is easy enough.)
* Core Solutions: These are manifold toward a goal where sufficient equality reigns within and among societies where both alienation and humiliation are relegated to the dust bin of history. The present world hegemon can play a vital role in getting this process started. Is it? Hardly; history will tell.


Terror in the Name of God by Jessica Stern is a must-read by anyone who cares about the future of humanity. Any scholar of terrorism will find new information in Ms. Stern's readable and engaging book. She obtained most of her data directly from the terrorists themselves. Ms. Stern provides deep insights into why Judaism, Christianity and Islam spawn so much violence. Ms Stern is not an armchair pundit; she traveled extensively to interview terrorists herself. By her own admission, she became a new person from the experience. Her findings are at once sobering, persuasive of the problem and encouraging -- with understanding of a problem can come control. Some excerpts follow:

"Writing this book has helped me to understand that religion is a kind of technology. It is terribly seductive in its ability to soothe and explain, but it is also dangerous. Convents such as the one I visited as a child may make good people better, but they don't necessarily make bad people good. They may even make bad people worse."

In discussing Elaine Pagels' "The Origins of Satan," Stern goes on:

"Pagels tells us that the evolving image of Satan [in the Hebrew Bible] served "to confirm for Christians their own identification with God and to demonize their opponents -- first other Jews, then pagans, and later dissident Christians called heretics." [And today the Christian Right often demonizes people who are gay for genetic reasons as well as Islam.] "The use of Satan to represent one's enemies lends to conflict a specific kind of moral and religious interpretation," she [Pagels] argues, "in which 'we' are God's people and 'they' are God's enemies, and ours as well.... Such moral interpretation of conflict has proven extraordinarily effective throughout Western history in consolidating the identity of Christian groups; the same history also shows that it can justify hatred, even mass slaughter,' she observes. [Referencing Martha Nussbaum, "Making Philosophy Matter to Politics."] This is the way religious terrorists view the world. ..."

Islam also suffers the Judeo-Christian disease. This is how religious extremists behave. Stern again:

"What is so deeply painful about terrorism is that our enemies, whom we see as evil, view themselves as saints and martyrs. As such, religious terrorism is more than a threat to national security. It is psychological and spiritual warfare, requiring a psychologically and spiritually informed response..."

"Participants in the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the kamikaze suicide-bombing raids all understood the appeal of purifying the world through murder.... This powerful yearning for bliss cannot be denied if we are to fight 'terror in the name of God,' the gravest danger we face today in a world of nuclear weaponry."

Stern could not be more right. We are sure that the Administration would agree -- publicly. Their actions, however, fully affirm they would rather "bring on" the danger than try to fix the fundamentals. In fact they have said as much on national media. Their political instincts are simply animalistic and authoritarian. Their goal is plutocratic dominance of the world through a new imperialism -- as indicated by their actions.

As long as followers believe, a leader can get away with anything, anything at all!

If we are serious about doing something about the roots of terror, there is plenty of fodder for further study on this website and resource references. Social conditions conducive to peace are well outlined by Varshney in his book, "Ethnic Conflict & Civil Life." It is a must-read for the statesperson, scholar, and citizen alike who are concerned with terror in our times. What Varshney has found is a way society can live with its Authoritarian self. His findings seem to explain the differences in violence between Washington DC and Honolulu. Tokyo, the world's largest metro area, is likewise very peaceful as large cities go. There, we think other factors are operating--population homogeneity and religious tolerance, and of course these features support Varhsney's thesis in that integration, because of Tokyo's homogeniety, is even more complete than in the Indian cities. Many, maybe most, Japanese are also tolerant; they believe in two or more religions! And it works. See Peaceful Cities for more discussion.

While Varshney provides a road map for reducing social strife in bimodal societies, Stern delves further into the religious (primarily monotheistic) causes of social strife.

Unless we understand terrorism at its most basic levels, we shall never control it.

For the statesman, what not to do is well illustrated in Barbara Tuchman's book "March of Folly" and by the current Bush trajectory of repeating Tuchman's historical theme. If there is a clear distinction between statesmanship and politics, it is in this very area.

Statesmen rise above the emotionally driven fray.

Politicians look upon every fray as Armageddon.

On Line Research

What immediately follows is the result of a couple of hours surfing the Internet for the purpose of finding what, if any, differences there are among "religions" in their association with violence, whether instigating or receiving. Either way a report of violence on a web site is considered a unit of violence for this study. We addressed the associations by employing three search engines using standard phrases. We hope our illustrations and discussion of the details will encourage others to do likewise in order to find answers for themselves.

We compared eight "religions" with one another, using three of the most efficient search engines on the Internet. Our protocol employed the word violence and five other related words in the format: "religion and word," for example: "Buddhism and terror." Each website [URL] returned was counted as an event. The assumption is that the frequency of these word associations relates to the violence a religion is actually involved in. The latter is newsworthy and written about. Our survey was done in November 2003.

The number of events per million per religion was calculated with the following ranking.

Table 1
Religions Ranked By Propensity toward Violence

Religion Events Adherents Millions Events / Million
Judaism 255 14 18.2
Islam 16653 1300 12.8
Christianity 2044 2000 1.02
Buddhism 319 360 0.89
Sikhism 10 23 0.43
Atheism 135 850 0.16
Hinduism 55 900 0.061
Confucianism 12 225 0.053

The above table becomes more meaningful when normalized to multiples of atheism violence as shown below.

Table 2
Religious Violence Ranking Normalized to Atheism.

Religion Multiples of Atheism
Judaism 113.8
Islam 80.0
Christianity 6.38
Buddhism 5.56
Sikhism 2.69
Atheism 1.00
Hinduism 0.381
Confucianism 0.331

That Christianity seems to get off lightly here is an artifact of our times. There is plenty in Christian history to be concerned about, the Crusades, the many European wars, the Inquisition, Witch Hunters, and in our most recent time, Bosnia, North Ireland, and Zionism--behind the scenes. Christians seem to have a short memory; their history is especially bloody and depraved. See Witch Hunts for a jolt to the memory.

The Buddhists are not violent but they can be violated. Buddhists are also peace activists and often get in harm's way. Atheism would have scored much higher in Stalin's time. Nevertheless, the history of organized terror has largely been the history of monotheism. It is certainly significant that reports of violence involving Jews were some 340 times those for Confucianism. The religious group that first and formally practiced terror as it is practiced today is Judaism, nearly two millennia ago.

How can anyone account for a religion allowing witch hunting, nay engage in it, for half a millennium?
What were lay societies doing about the extremists of their times?

Table 3
Monotheism Compared With Eastern Religions

Belief System Events Adherents-Millions Events / Million
Monotheism 18952 3314 5.70
Eastern Religions 396 1508 0.26
Atheism 135 850 0.16

Normalizing the rank order to Atheism = 1, shows monotheism to be some 35 or so multiples more violent than atheism.

Table 4
Religion and Atheism Relative Rank For Violence

Belief System Events / Million
Monotheism 35.6
Eastern Religions 1.6
Atheism 1.0

This ranking is a most disturbing result for the monotheists. Each monotheism is more interested in dominating the others than in doing something about the violence their extremist members initiate under one religious guise or another. Yet most monotheism adherents deeply believe theirs is a peaceful religion. Monotheism simply does not assure a peaceful society. Like democratization of totalitarian societies, reforms in the montheisms can only come from within. These are two sides of the same coin and change will not come quickly.

Why the disconnect? Could it be that Monotheism itself is an expression of the Authoritarian Personality? Could it be that most of us are in denial, ignorant of the facts, or both? If we could answer these questions, we would have an improved understanding of violence, terror and war and view of possible ways forward.

Like terror in the world, and Violence in American Cities, there is a wide range in the degrees by which "religions" are associated with violent activities in the Internet-accessible literature. Events reported for Judaism are over 340 times as frequent as for Confucianism. Atheism is below the middle of the pack, and this provides evidence that Atheists as a group are less violent than are monotheists. Monotheisms, as a group of religions, reported 5.7 events per million adherents while the four Eastern religions/philosophies averaged about 0.26 reported events per million. Monotheisms are some 22 fold more violent than the Eastern Religions and about 36 times more violent than atheism. Eighteen times as many web sites pair violent words with Judaism as with Christianity.

These results can hardly be all accidental. They reflect bad guys in the extremist wings. In this respect, monotheism is a lot like politics and business--a few extremists give the rest a bad name. A tiny fraction highjack the reins of power and cause havoc far beyond their numbers.

Basically, monotheists cannot agree on whose God is God and that issue is worth fighting over. Monotheism, in practice, is all about power in this world, not salvation in the next.

Organized secular violence also occurs; historically it is much more rare. Fundamentally, secular violence has the same roots as religious violence. Stalin's Communism was, in a practical sense, a religion, as was Hitler's Nazism. Ordinary people bought into each with all their hearts and souls.

These numbers find support and plausible explanation from several of our web pages on this site. See in particular:

Authoritarian personality -- This personality is encouraged by monotheism, which fits the high numbers above.

Global Issues -- deals with the Iraq crisis in an psycho-historic context, with Authoritarianism at the core.

Solutions -- Ashutosh Varshney found a marvelous insight into the causes of social violence between Hindus and Muslims. Social integration at all levels in society substantially reduces the incidence of violent social unrest. The Eastern Religions benefit from being more accepting than the monotheisms.

Zionism -- A movement that led to the confrontation in Palestine that is still going on. Zionists and Palestinians are both frequent terror perpetrators and victims; hence the high numbers observed for Judaism and Islam should be no surprise.

We think the Authoritarian Personality, when extreme, has much to do with both religion and violence. This is as much a social issue as it is psychological. The potential for terrorism is genetic and intrinsic. Any radicalizing social or psychological event brings an individual's potential for terrorism into reality. From there, terror becomes a simple matter of wherewithal.

Search Results

Date: 5 Nov 2003

Search Format Used: ["religion and 'term'"]

Search Example Used: "Buddhism and terror"

Events = Number Sites returning data.

Religious Adherents Resource: www.adherents.com

* Survey details of three leading search engines.
* Paired search-words appear in the headings and left column.
* Incidences appear in the intersections.


Table 5
Incidence of Violence by Religion

ALTAVISTA Buddhism Christianity Islam Judaism
Terror 1 1 176 2
Terrorism 2 17 2112 0
Violence 29 125 413 13
War
24
277 470 10
Murder
0
2 3 0
Genocide 0 8 2 8
Sub Tot 56 430 3176 33
GOOGLE Buddhism Christianity Islam Judaism
Terror 1 1 616 1
Terrorism 2 32 5620 3
Violence 78 288 979 27
War 99 624 1160 16
Murder 0 5 9 2
Genocide 0 20 7 30
Sub Tot 180 970 8391 79
TEOMA Buddhism Christianity Islam Judaism
Terror 2 1 249 1
Terrorism 0 28 3350 10
Violence 37 162 679 24
War 44 420 798 77
Murder 0 5 7 3
Genocide 0 28 3 28
Sub Tot 83 644 5086 143
Total Events 319 2044 16653 255
Adherents-millions 360 2000 1300 14
Events / million 0.89 1.02 12.81 18.21

Table 6
Incidence of Violence by Religion

ALTAVISTA Hinduism Atheism Confucianism Sikhism
Terror 2 0 0 0
Terrorism 0 6 0 2
Violence 6 4 0 0
War 6 10 3 0
Murder 0 2 0 0
Genocide 0 2 0 0
Sub Tot 14 24 3 2
GOOGLE Hinduism Atheism Confucianism Sikhism
Terror 3 1 0 0
Terrorism 3 9 0 4
Violence 11 10 0 0
War 12 38 6 1
Murder 0 8 0 0
Genocide 0 2 0 0
Sub Tot 29 68 6 5
TEOMA Hinduism Atheism Confucianism Sikhism
Terror 1 0 0 0
Terrorism 1 8 0 3
Violence 10 10 0 0
War 9 19 3 0
Murder 0 6 0 0
Genocide 0 0 0 0
Sub Tot 12

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Murad,

You cannot even compare the alter ego Allah of Mohammad with the God of New Testament. Forget about trying to suggest that Shankara borrowed from his supposed contacts with early Jews in Kerala.

Allah was a contrived and an artificial concept that Mohammad used to justify huis career in Banditry, loot and rapes. After every rape and slaughter he would shout "Allahu.." just like the present day Jehadists do after beheading their kidnapped captor in your muslim worlds!!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Extremist violence has roots in monotheism: naive to ignore aspects of Islam that breed militant fundamentalism - Column - Brief Article
National Catholic Reporter, Nov 2, 2001 by Richard P. McBrien

As the nation and the world at large attempted to sort out the meaning and consequences of the terrorist raids on New York City and Washington on Sept. 11, one topic remained always at the center of the mix, namely, the role of religion as a motivating factor.

Some have tried valiantly to forestall the temptation to blame Islam itself for these horrific events. We were regularly assured, by Christian and Muslim commentators alike, that the fundamentalist terrorists totally misread and misused the Quran and that their murderous actions were in no sense approved, much less encouraged, by Islam itself.

A leading expert on fundamentalism, Martin Marty, emeritus professor of church history at the University of Chicago, made that very point in The New York Times Magazine Oct. 30: "I cannot say it emphatically enough: This is not Islam. This takes Islamic texts -- it takes elements in its tradition -- and skews them."

In an op-ed piece published elsewhere in the same paper, a respected Islamic scholar at Harvard suggested that there is no more of a connection between the religious fanaticism of the terrorists with Islam than there was between Irish Republican Army extremists and Roman Catholicism.

Almost exactly one month after the attacks, however, another, more critical interpretation began to emerge in the press.

Mark Lilla, professor of social thought at the University of Chicago, argued in an op-ed piece for The New York Times on Oct. 7 that fundamentalisms of this sort do not spring up through a process of spontaneous generation. However extreme they might be in relation to the parent religion's mainstream, the two are on the same continuum.

Thus, the Catholic church cannot be considered completely blameless for the often-violent anti-Semitic behavior that many church members inflicted on European Jews in the Middle Ages and at the time of the Holocaust. Indeed, popes themselves were sometimes directly involved.

"It is all very well for Catholics today to insist that their faith, properly interpreted, does not condone anti-Semitism," Lilla wrote. "But that does not get us closer to understanding how millions of Catholics over a millennium could have thought that it did."

Judaism, too, must bear some responsibility for the attitudes and behavior of the more radical branches of the Israeli settlers movement, "which is fired by the eschatological belief that reclaiming the land will hasten the coming of the Messiah."

But what applies to Christianity and Judaism applies also to Islam. "That Islamic fundamentalism and its militant offshoots appeal to the Quran is therefore not an incidental matter," Lilla continued. "It means that they have found a way to breed in the religious space opened up by the revelation Islam presupposes."

Recent efforts to promote a spirit of tolerance and understanding toward Islam may be well intentioned, "but they mark an abdication of intellectual responsibility among Muslims and non-Muslims alike." Serious, critical reflection "must begin with the uncomfortable fact that in religion, as in nature, there is no such thing as spontaneous generation."

Andrew Sullivan's much longer piece in The New York Times Magazine on Oct. 7, "This Is a Religious War," made a similar point. Osama bin Laden's form of Islam is not restricted to bin Laden alone, Sullivan insisted.

"Most interpreters of the Quran find no arguments in it for the murder of innocents," he continued. "But it would be naive to ignore in Islam a deep thread of intolerance toward unbelievers, especially if those unbelievers are believed to be a threat to the Islamic world."

Sullivan, a Catholic, did not spare his own religious tradition, citing the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the bloody religious wars of the 16th and 17th centuries. "It seems almost as if there is something inherent in religious monotheism that lends itself to this kind of terrorist temptation," he wrote. "And our bland attempts to ignore this -- to speak of this violence as if it did not have religious roots -- is some kind of denial."

Sullivan has called the struggle that is just beginning an epic one. "What is at stake is yet another battle against a religion that is succumbing to the temptation Jesus refused in the desert -- to rule by force."

One major reason why the United States poses such a menacing threat to the Islamists is the success of America's own constitutional arrangement. In spite of our complete separation of religion from the state and the government's official toleration of every kind of religious belief and of unbelief as well, this remains one of the most religious nations on the face of the earth and also one of the most internally peaceful. According to the Islamists, that should not be the case.

Here again, reality trumps ideology.

Fr. Richard McBrien is professor of theology at Notre Dame University.

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