The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? Ref dost_mittar #102

Can you tell me if India does not allow the first three items on your list?

Not doing the other three was just more sops to the Mozzies.

The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? Ref dost_mittar #102

[I think that the Singapore model could have worked. Before you ask, this is what I think is the Singapore model in brief:

- Muslims are treated as equal citizens and 'almost' no discrimination in jobs, housing, social services etc. 'Almost' because at least when they had friction with Malaysia, Muslims were not allowed in the air force to save them from any potential "dharma sankat".]

In a similar manner, Malaysia doesn't take Chinese into its Armed Forces.

They just want to ensure that there aren't any chinks in their armor. :-)

The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? Ref Eklavya #94

[ajeya, on the other hand, your #92 was pretty good.]

Already formed a Mutual Admiration Society with ajeya, haven't you.

Too bad you couldn't have waited six hours to let me catch up on my beauty sleep.

Read #100

The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? Ref ajeya #92

#91 by ISlamIslam

{[India will be allowed to grow as a counterweight to China, just like China was allowed to grow to counter the Soviet Union.]

This is a very uninformed, "aam junta" view of how things work in this world.}

I waited breathlessly for your "informed" view of geopolitics. Fortunately, I could start breathing again within seconds.

[Nobody "allowed" China to grow.]

I guess that same "nobody" is "allowing" Cuba under Castro all sorts of growth opportunities.

[The US, with it's economic and geopolitical compulsions, had absolutely no choice.]

There was plenty of choice. Just like in the 1950s through the 1970s, it was Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Hong Kong, in the late 1980s, it could have been Indonesia or the Philippines instead of China, if it was economic rather than geopolitical considerations.

[Not that it changed my view, but I used to work with an American guy whose father was pretty high-up and actively involved in diplomatic negotiations with the Chinese for many years.]

That (having known him) and $4.50 would get you a latte at the local Starbucks.

[The US actaully grabbed on to the Chinese option like manna from heaven.]

If the US wants to destabilize a powerful country such as Russia, it is not going to be through through a tiny country half-way around the world from the Soviets. Outer Mongolia just wasn't an option even though your friend's daddy might have considered that very carefully. China's geography (long borders with the Soviet Union), military power (nuclear weapons and huge army) and willingness to take punishment in a war (Mao is quoted as saying that he was prepared to lose 400 million Chinese in a war) made it the choice of US... short of arming Japan with nuclear weapons. That was not an option since the US was trying to prevent the spread of nukes.

[Similarly, nobody "allowed" India to grow by "aiding" India.]

Yes, it is the "brilliance" of its software engineers that has allowed India to capture the world markets. Ninety percent of the frikking code coolies I have interviewed cannot tell me why operator overloading and inheritance are both needed in an object-oriented language. I am sure, if you are a code coolie, you don't know it either.

I have found better code coolies in Russia, Romania, and even Uzbekistan. And they work for cheaper rates than Indians despite having a rigorous education as opposed to fake degrees from "universities" in Jharkhand or Andhra or the quota graduates of Tamil Nadu.

[Political figures in Washington have only so much power over international trade and commerce. The best they can do in intervene here and there strategically. But for the bulk of it, the big financial corporations shape the trade policies to their own advantage.]

I suppose that is why they are trading with Cuba, importing its sugar and exporting it basic things like automobiles. (For those clueless idiots on Chowk, such trade does not exist!)

The US could have slapped heavy duties on China-made goods if the US corporations were going to import from China. When did China join WTO? Look it up. How about GATT?

The US could have banned investments in China. It could have banned travel to China like it does with Cuba. Mattel is NOT bigger than the US government. Even IBM is not bigger than the US government and had to get permission to sell off its Personal Computer division to Lenovo, a Chinese company. And China was NOT allowed to buy Unocal or 3Com Corporation.

I await your next "informed view" of how the world works with bated breath.

The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? Ref jang #89

[harimau, some baniyas in northrop grumman and boing are trying to get in bed with india but if pentagon had its way, it would have little to do with india. its a very unreliable "strategic" partner..with commies and swadeshis in a parliamentary system govt it can never count on anything. pakistan is a much better bet with a determined military and somewhat unified nationalism.]

The US has long-term strategic planners in every department, including the Pentagon and the State Department. Decisions are taken after analyzing short- medium- and long-term implications.

If the decision to aid India is taken with a short-term view, then the equipment offered would have limited life and limited capabilities. Even then, they would be bugged with software viruses that can be remotely activated to render them useless should the conflict in which they are used does not meet with the approval of the US.

The capabilities may be better if the idea is to support India over the medium term; but the ability to cripple the equipment still remains.

India still will not be able to buy nuclear submarines and submarine-launched ballistic missiles even if it signs a formal treaty of alliance with the US. That was given as an exception to only the UK, not even France.

They have studied Pakistan to death and have concluded it has no chance of surviving as a viable state. Hence, Pakistan will be used as a condom and discarded.

India will be allowed to grow as a counterweight to China, just like China was allowed to grow to counter the Soviet Union. Once China is fractured into several countries just like the Soviet Union was, the US will attempt to dismember India in the same fashion. But that is 50+ years into the future.

India's strategy should be to use the US to grow its capabilities while keeping the country intact.

The first step for that would be to ban all the caste-based or one-state-only parties. Mayawathi and her Bahujan Samaj would have to go. So would the DMK, ADMK, Telugu Desam, etc. That would leave the BJP, the Commies and the pseudo-Commies called the Congress.

That is the bad news for India.

The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? Ref Eklavya #77

[Pakistan is a large country with nuclear capabilities. Within sixty years it has already established itself as the Ummah's most powerful member and the most active leader. Its thinkers and leaders are shaping and moulding the Ummah.]

King Faroukh of Egypt said 60 years back, "Pakistanis think Islam was invented on Aug 14, 1947."

I notice the delusion hasn't ended.

The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? Ref Eklavya #83

[American must realize that Pakistan can make enough of a difference in world affairs to threaten the US or its interests.]

So, have you got your T-Shirt with the Pakistani flag on it ready? I assume you plan to wear that T-Shirt and wave your green passport nonchalantly at the Immigration counter at JFK airport as you land there in a PIA plane.

What is it I heard lamenting the fact PIA is not even allowed to fly to most European countries whereas India's private carriers are getting landing rights?

[That's more than what many would say for India.]

Yes. That is why the US is offering Pakistan nuclear reactors and fuel along with co-production possibilities if they buy American warplanes, something they are most definitely not offering India!

The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? Ref Eklavya #77

[Pakistan is a large country with nuclear capabilities. Within sixty years it has already established itself as the Ummah's most powerful member and the most active leader. Its thinkers and leaders are shaping and moulding the Ummah. It's rock solid. All Muslims - nationalists, Islamists - are behind it. By no means it is a flop nation.

After loss of direction initially, Bangladesh too is on its way.

India, by comparison, is nowhere near attaining similar status in its own domain of relevance and interest - the non-Ummah world. We are making some progress, but even the most optimistic of us wouldn't call India the most powerful nation of the un-Ummah.]

Un-Ummah includes Christians and the Chinese/Japanese/Confucianists besides the Hindus.

Among Hindu nations, India is by far the biggest.... considering that the only Hindu nation is Nepal which is also going to become secular under the Marxists who were trained at Jwahirullah Nehru University.

Wait for Nepali Muslims to get a Haj subsidy; it won't be long.

The ANP Challenge Folks,

That dear boy Yasser Latif Hamdani is right in stating that Pakistan was not conceived as an Islamic state by Jinnah-bhai.

Jinnah-bhai was interested in establishing a scientific country in certain portions of India that would be free from the superstitions of the Hindus. He tried his best to stay within a United India where Islamic Mathematics would be accepted by all, whereby 30% = 70%. Unfortunately for Jinnah-bhai, no mathematician nor politician came forward to accept this crucial axiom of Islamic Mathematics.

In fact, Jinnah-bhai had other theorems that would have shown that 1 is greater than 1 billion, etc., and essentially he was on a quest to prove that positive numbers are negative numbers. Since -30 is greater than -70, Jinnah-bhai's argument holds coherency when you apply this greatest discovery of Islamic Mathematics.

Jinnah-bhai realized that with Islamic Mathematics, in Pakistan the 10% minority would also have to be greater than the 90% Muslim population. This is proof of his secularism.

However, with the death of Jinnah-bhai, Pakistan veered from Scientific Islam and accepted that 90% is greater than 10%. In order to silence the supporters of Jinnah-bhai, they first reduced the 10% to 3% and adopted Western Mathematicsm which is kufr.

The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? Ref treetop #67

[Yes,the problem is with muslims.They are used to rule,
they cannot accept servile status]

Muslims are like the white trash that votes Republican in the US even when the Republicans are screwing them. Just like the white trash believes the Republican crap that hard work will make them millionaires like the Republican Party leaders and vote for tax cuts for the rich, Muslims think that they were the rulers of India. 99% of Muslims were working as farmers and leather workers; a miniscule group of Muslims, mostly Afghans, were freeloading on them and leading a royal life.

Brain dead diaper-heads!

The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? Ref dost_mittar #64

[Indian Muslims are double victims.]Nope, they double-faulted.

They demanded Pakistan but didn't move there: first fault.

They willingly went into their ghettoes and stayed there instead of coming out and attending schools and colleges like Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Parsis and Christians did: double fault.

They double-faulted when the game was 30-love in favor of Hindus. So the score now is Advantage Hindus.

Tough sh!t.

The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? The best way to eliminate the Muslim vote bank is to eliminate Muslims from the voting rolls.

Pakistan dealt with its Hindu minority by expelling or forcibly converting them.

Since that seems to be ruled out as a choice (I wonder why), the simplest step would be to deny Muslims the right to vote.

Since it is agreed that the Muslims of UP, Bengal and Bihar were the primary movers behind Pakistan and that the Muslim population in Punjab and Sindh was not agitating for a separate Pakistan, there is no reason to accept India's Muslim population as full loyal citizens of India. Denying them electoral rights would be consistent with their stand that they wanted to live in a separate country. If they won't move their, fin. They just don't get to vote in this country.

That would mean the end of the Congress Party too.

Good riddance to bad rubbish!

While at it, the same thing should apply to Christians. Anytime the Christians demand minority reservation in government and Hindu educational institutions but do not provide reservations for anybody in Christian-run institutions, it is double dipping: what is mine is mine and what is yours is also mine. For that attitude, the Christians should be denied voting rights in India.

The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? Ref dost_mittar #64

[Indian Muslims are double victims. First, they are victims of Nehruvian policies which encouraged them to have a separate, ummah oriented identity instead of becoming part of the Indian mainstream. Secondly, they are victims of the Hindu nationalists who still believe in the two nation theory and dont accept muslims as full fledged Indians.]

This is totally false.

Were Muslims given separate constituencies? Were they told to enroll only in separate schools?

No.

Indian Muslims chose all this voluntarily.

So, don't blame Hindu Nationalists for the Muslim mindset.

Why are some Indian Muslims waving the Pakistani flag in cricket matches between India and Pakistan? When half the Indian team is Muslim?

Is Decline of the Fourth-Estate Here and Happening? Ref nkg #51

[I know of regional movies like Tamil, Malayalam and Bengali movies, which were of great quality.]

You will change your opinion of Tamil movies if you get the lyrics to the song "Ottakatthai Kattikko" translated by one of the Masanamuthus on Chowk.

The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? Ref dost_mittar #40

[How do they compete in the "approach" department?]

What do you mean by that?

IAS, IPS, etc., are based on competitive examinations. Two years backm the District Superintendent of Police in Nagapattinam district was a Muslim. He has since been transferred to some other post.

Syed Munir Hoda is a Secretary in the Tamil Nadu state government, close to Docgtor Artist Leader the Fund of Compassion. From his name, one would guess he is not Hindu, Christian, Sikh or Jain, leaving only one conclusion as to his religion.

Let these fcukers study in a regular school rather than in madrassahs and go compete with Hindus the way Christians, Jains and Sikhs do. Shhesh, most Hindus in Tamil Nadu want their kids to study in Christian schools, knowing that the nuns and monks would instill strong discipline in them.

The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now? Dost-Mittar writes [I think that the Congress Party has taken the decision to go ahead with the Indo-US nuclear deal despite the staunch opposition to it by the Communist parties...]

Sonia Gandhi has declared that there will be no elections this year. That means no nuclear treaty with the US and China and its fifth-column in India will be happy.