Coming to America Re: # 22

tahmed32, once upon a time, many winters ago I too, infatuated with the lure of money and adventure, tried my hand at commercial fishing in the Berring Sea, Alaska, when ships get bogged down in the frozen Sea, when the crabs start dropping their legs due to the unbearable cold and when out of nowhere cold waves the size of mountains try to smash your little fishing trawler into smithereens that I came to know something about the drag queens of Alaska.

Coming to America Re: # 21
HP, actually I think religion is the bane of all humanity. Every time one person thinks that his fairy tales are more appropriate than the other person's, a trouble most ridiculous is sure to raise its head. I personally think mixing of religion and politics ought to be done away with for good, only if somebody were to listen to me! So obviously I have no sympathies with the bearded clergy. As for the leopard with the peculiar spots, well since he at the moment is riding the tiger, lets not mention the sundry tight international cases of graft against him, for at the moment every one is concerned if he can safely ride the tiger out of trouble. However at the same time we must not think that since every one is corrupt that that is necessarily an ok thing. All the wrong policies of our past are already haunting us now, Bad things ought to be fixed or the morass would get worse and worse. As it is, small men are entrusted with big tasks to guide a sinking vessel to safety so with bated breath lets wait and see.

Coming to America HP your diatribe against the writer and the article, putting the islamist spin etc on it is actually quite unwarranted because what he says in it is pretty apt. After all the johnnie was not at some bar picking up some bimbo to take home. But then what to say, how would some other ruffian, gangster and looter of ordinary people's wealth, newly released from prison and put on the presidential pulpit have behaved? Not necessarily in the Sarah Palin context, but in the seriousness of tackling the job at hand? In other words, would a leopard change its spots? Lets wait and see...

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 922 Pappuji says: "Truth is god for me."

And I say you are one funny pappu!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 914 Says pappuji: "Middle finger to God,

An individual did a crime and getting punishment for it. What does it have to with their ethnicity? Answer this question:

Followers of which religion/dharma/ism/faith have have killed/harmed innocent people of other faith at the place of their worship, in last decade?

Do you see Islam in the mirror?"

Well pappuji in case you were trying to rile my emotions by invoking religious insults like "middle finger to God" etc please don't waste your efforts, because I personally think all religions are a bunch of fairy tales, and I think I can't bring myself around to believing in any one of the fairy tales, and I am quite un-fazed by such invocations. I don't care whether you feel that your soul is cleansed more by drinking a cup of golden urine, or it is by banging your head on the floor 5 times a day, which are personal things between you and whatever you believe in...what matters is the being inside. Religions have caused the worst strife throughout history and thus to human life...and probably more strife has been caused by those who profess Christianity than any other religion, may be even in the last decade as well, if you wish to judge it from then. This probably has to do with who wields more power at what time. Your kind, not being the aggressive fighting types have always relied more on your skills of trickery and treachery. Once, as I already told you, were times when the sect of "Thugs" was in ascendancy practicing their tricks of guile and treachery or "thuggee", who were past masters at befriending people and then killing them with a silk handkerchief after gaining their total trust, and the Guinness book of world records credits this sect,which actually was a band of organized serial killers with 2000,000 deaths over the ages. These thugs worshiped the Black Goddess called Kali. Thus no religion has its hands free from the blood of others...some by force and conquests, some by guile and treachery.

As for the individual's crime, you yourself were producing individual Pakistani criminals from the west to me and saying that Indians don't commit crimes but Pakistanis do, and I just wanted to present proof to you that Indians do it too!

Nawaz Sharif’s Moment of Truth Maybe tahmed32 has been offered minister-ship by NS?

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: 900

Pappuji, just a minor distraction between your's and ladduji's high flown intellectual dissertation, as just a sample of the high fine upright lives these Indians lead in the west; after perusing this you can go back on to your usual intellectualism.

Indian-American gets life term for murder of son's black wife
29 Jun 2008, 2013 hrs IST,PTI

WASHINGTON: An Indian-origin businessman in the US has been sentenced to life in prison without parole for hiring hit men to murder his son's black wife as he was enraged at the inter-racial marriage.

Prosecution had sought death penalty for Chiman Rai, 69, for paying two men USD 10,000 to kill Sparkle Michelle Rai, an African American, in April 2000 weeks after her marriage to his son Rajeev Rai alias Ricky, with whom she had a daughter.

The 22-year-old was found strangled and stabbed more than a dozen times at the couple's apartment.

Jurors deliberated for less than two hours before delivering the verdict in an Atlanta area courtroom in Georgia this week.

The case had gone cold but grabbed headlines as an "honour killing" after police arrested Chiman Rai and four others following a tip off two years ago.

The jury had found Rai guilty on seven charges, including felony murder and burglary, and was convinced that he believed that the marriage would embarrass his family.

Rai immigrated with his family from India in 1970 and taught Maths at Alcorn State University in Mississippi for a decade before opening a supermarket and a hotel in Kentucky Mississippi where Sparkle was an employee.

Prosecutors claimed that it was a hate crime. "This particular murder, outrageous, wantonly vile...," prosecutor Sheila Ross was quoted as saying by the The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “...of this young mother not only justifies but demands the death penalty," she told the jury.

Defence lawyer Don Samuel said while there was evidence that Rai believed his son's marriage would cast a stigma on his family in Indian society, he wasn't a racist and had strong support in the African-American community.

Nawaz Sharif’s Moment of Truth Re: # 142

tahmed32, difference between the property of self preservation of an ordinary being trying to preserve its existence, and a crook trying to preserve his life of crookedness and thuggery is great, even though it ultimately might be kind of the same urge of preservation.

As for the rest of your opinion on NS, I only say that this goof's past two terms in office were thuggish, horrific and shameful, and he left the nation in dire financial straits. Ditto BB and AZ. It is amazing that despite all of this these clowns were allowed to participate yet once again in elections! And what a shame that all these parties and people clamor for democracy and themselves operate on the premise of monarchies.

Forgotten President & Shape of Things to Come? Re: # 59 little pappu says:
"Whose turn after NWFP? Is it POK or Punjab. There is no RanajitSingh left to defend."

Good question, pappu, and full marks for asking it. Well actually they will end up all the way in Delhi...and you ought to know whose ass would then be toast don't you pappu, despite the fact that you don't read history.

Nawaz Sharif’s Moment of Truth Re: # 138 tahmed32, its not living in the past if one says that crooks who have come out wanting in the past a number of times should be debarred from future participation in running the affairs of the country/people yet again, since its not just a fickle matter, like a child breaking a toy or something, but its the lives and well being of millions of people. How would you evaluate a person, but obviously from his previous performance. Someone new should now be given a chance. NS is a champion for the rule of law only for ulterior motives.

Nawaz Sharif’s Moment of Truth Re: # 134, Correct...just what I have been saying too, all along. However many think that rascals who have come out terribly wanting so many times in the past could reform themselves in the future! However would you even hire a chowkidar again if he steals from you twice? Leave alone elect known larcenists to rule over you!

Nawaz Sharif’s Moment of Truth Re: # 32 tahmed, actually we don't have to work with rascals...we can always reject and chuck them out and try newer commodities...but probably many just thrive upon the status quo of recirculating the same old trash again and again, resultantly everything getting worse and worse. Come to think of it, maybe you could do with a couple of 007s!

Nawaz Sharif’s Moment of Truth How pathetic that people still keep saying that Zardari said this and Nawaz Sharif said that! It merely shows the complete moral and intellectual bankruptcy of anyone who flaunts these two crooks as some sort of magnificent people's leaders. As if these two have in their past four misrules between the two of them done so much for democracy and the people, and have never indulged in thuggery, loot and plunder. Those of us who know, know that at least these two are not the great saviours everyone is trying to make them into, neither are their parties any better than them.

Local Liberal Dribble Re: # 36 little pappu says :"I do not know exactly what is an angel? But looking at Pakistanis and in comparison to them it seems so. Be it in UK or US, Indians seem to be model citizens. Thuggy is more British concoction so that Indians and the world do not start looking at the thuggery of British in Trillions."

Pappu yaar maybe you misunderstood me. I merely wanted to tell you that one who belongs to the land that actually spawned a cult of "thugs", doesn't point fingers at others to point out their flaws to them. And you may wish to rewrite history here and deny that a certain sect called thugs existed for a long period of time, because you don't seem to like the way it might look on you, but a part of history it is, and it is not a concoction of the British. In fact it is as much a part of history as is the other beautiful ritual called satti, or the burning of live women, however you may wish to deny it now. These are all tricks of the deceivers, to try to rewrite history in a way more favorable to show the deceivers as paragons of virtue to the world. As for Pakistanis in UK or US, they generally are as much model citizens as anybody else, but again due to the ways of deception of the thugs, they may appear less so.

Local Liberal Dribble Re: # 30

pappu says "Afghanistan gave Pakistan strategic depth and Mulla gave it strategic cannon fodder farm. Against whom? India? India never started any war with Pakistan and is not interested in having larger Muslim minority. Is it then Islamic psyche to spread itself and capture the state to rule?"

I don't know what pappu means? Is India the land of angels or is it the land of the deceivers, where flourished for a long time the thugee cult, a people who practiced the wonderful art of deception, and only answered to the black Goddess Kali, and made the English language richer by giving it the word "Thug"! This cult is estimated to have deceived and murdered about 2000,000 innocent travelers between them, according to the estimate of the Guinness Book of World Records! Obviously the thuggee gene must be quite rampant there still, and obviously they do not harbor any of those angelic ideas towards their arch foes to the north that you seem to think that they do. And pappu, as for those darn fool tribals who you berate for harboring expansionist idea's, well naturally you are right they are used to it...historically first they came as mercenaries in invading armies down south, then they established sultanates of their own for a few centuries, what to say of leaving their copious progeny who still populate your movies, sports or other such arts and endeavours.

Local Liberal Dribble I tend to agree with Mr. Paracha's review of the movie, which I too lately saw on DVD. After a promising start, it suddenly falls flat on its face, most particularly with the fake feel to some of the scenes, (like the torture, war and fight scenes),some empty sounding dialogues as if someone is blandly preaching to someone, and some unrealistic characters. I hope next movie they keep an eye to correct such flaws. I think a good way to make this sort of political thriller is to give your message in a subtle way, as was done for example in the movie made from the Le Carre novel, The Little Drummer Girl.

As for the rap the tribals are getting everywhere, I think its quite unfair. It basically is all the fault of those at the helm of affairs, ever since the existence of Pakistan. How can you keep a proud, tough, hardened people out of the ambit of all sorts of modern developments (like schools, colleges roads, hospitals etc.), and then expect them to operate as modern day city slickers? Naturally the only viable option open to most of them (and rest of the Pakistanis) is to send their kids to madrassas for cheap education. Once there, the children are brain washed by vituperative mullahs, with the repercussions that every one has seen. The madrassas, in turn were encouraged by the US itself not too long ago, when they saw that just across the border from Pakistan's tribal areas, the Afghans were fighting tough against the Russians, so they thought it opportune to fight communism with the zeal of the mujahids, and also avenge their loss at Vietnam. Thus the first dregs of this madrassa induced jihadism was launched, and a Frankenstein monster was born.