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Interview: Imran Khan on Elections and Boycott
Posted by sonofkashmir Dec 20, 2007 05:44 am
imran khan is a great man. urduspeakers fear him and are jealous of him although he has never done anything against them or said anything against them . He's frequently accused by Karachiites to have an anti Karachi bias even during his playing days. This is most preposterous. when he was made captain in 1982 the first thing he did was drop his own first cousin, the great majid khan from the side as he was out of form and included a player from Karachi in his place. later on when selectors tried to drop shoaib mohammad, another karachiite, he threatened to resign from the captaincy if he wasnt inlcuded in the team. now how in the world does this smack of anti-karachi bias.

Imran khan even once foolishly called for repatriating those so-called pakistanis known as biharis to pakistan on an urgent basis in a live BBC program called Question time pakistan in 2003. HIS exact words on the issue were "for me this is not a poliical issue, this is a human issue"

THE urduspeakers cant relish the fact that a hero of his stature is a non-urduspeaker. on top of it he is a hated pathan belonging to the accursed punjab . i think karachiites have become too used to worshipping murderers, terrorists and bhatta-khors as heroes.

The Plan To Topple Pakistan Military
Posted by sonofkashmir Dec 11, 2007 08:20 pm
The remaining "natural" Pakistan would lie entirely east of the Indus, except for a westward spur near Karachi.

I have quoted from part of the article that talks about independent karachi . i will send in the map also later. in 1947 at time of independence ,pakistan was being ruled by urduspeakers. the ruling eurduspeaking elite as a matter of policy encouraged urduspeakers to settle in karachi . karachi was the capital . liaquat ali khan had no base or votes in pakistan and he deliberately encourage the settlement of urduspeakers in karachi to create a base for himself . the quota system is based on urban and rural sind. it does not specifically mention the two ethnicities. urduspeakers are no more than 35% of population of sind. do u think its just that they have more than they share in public sector jobs when they already completely dominate the private sector in sind? jammat islami nodoubt opposed partition before 1947. however after that it has steadfastly been most anti-india. they are the most steadfast supporters of kashmir issue. there have been others who opposed partition but these people do not command the majority of votes in their communities. ANP doesnt have majority of pukhtoons behind it . GM Syed's party never won elections. But MQM has and time and time again . part if its success is its unbashed use of terror . but the fact is that urduspeakers support MQM.Even those who do not support MQM's tactics have sympathy with its ideology. In any case no one except altaf hussain has the audacity to go to delhi and in front of whole world declare partition the greatest blunder in human history. for the rest of pakistan , this is treachery enough. As for sindhis which sindhis u r talking about? whatever their political leanings be,they are against bringing back biharis, they consider the capture of their cities by urduspeakers a great disaster for them . but they are realistic. they came to terms with the fact that you guys cant be removed . but what did u guys do? you deprived ppp,which commands the voted of most sindhis of its due share of power in sind. in 2002 elections mqm had 41 seats in sind assembly and ppp had 68. yet musharaf a biased urduspeaker refused to give ppp a chance to form government . he handed over governorship of sind to a criminal who had once assaulted an army major , and the most important ministrues of finance and police to mqm . sindhis had no important ministry in sind government during 2002-2007.

I meet a lot people. and i know their emotions. you can not imagine the anger felt at mqm for may 12 in punjab and nwfp. the NWFP assembly even passed a resoloution on this. nawaz sharif is a very keena parwar man and he will not spare mqm. one day judicary will be restored and then there will be proper investigation of may 12. justu wait and see.




The Plan To Topple Pakistan Military
Posted by sonofkashmir Dec 11, 2007 01:24 am
Gurdaspur was 51% muslims without the qadianis . out of 4 tehsins , pathankot had a high concentration of non-muslims (70%)thats . in other tehsils muslims were 60% and above. but battala and gurdaspur were handed over to india just because nehru wanted a landlink to india . even MJ Akbar accepts that nehru prevailed over mountbatten to get gurdaspur distruct . i have already mentioned Ferozepure and zira,jalandhar,ajnala. patiala , kapurthala ,chamba states were 60% muslims but had sikh rulers who acceded to india. in bengal too there was great deal of gerrymandering by mountbatten . i will present complete details tommorow. u insist on lying. Amritsar was 46% muslim . infact muslims were the largest community there,only the combined number of sikhs and hindus was greater than 46% otherwise individually these communities were smaller than muslims numerically in amritsar.


The muder and massacre in east punjab was systematic , organized and completely state sponsored. The British head of boundary Force has clearly stated this in his memoirs"while memory serves". the cruelties in westpunjab were not systematic but more of a retaliation. after partition when kidnapped children and women were exchanged,16000 muslim women and children were recovered from indian punjab while a little over 8000 non-muslims were recovered from our side. this clearly shows who suffered more.
The Plan To Topple Pakistan Military
Posted by sonofkashmir Dec 10, 2007 08:33 pm
punjab never joined late. urduspeakers deliberately harp in this point in order to magnify their efforts in freedom struggle . muslim league won the elections in 1946 in punjab . the punjab assembly voted overwhelmingly ,infact all muslims members voted to divide the province . punjab's sacrifices are the biggest and most important. kashmir was never allowed to decide. the assembly that acceded to india in 1950s was a bogus assembly where most members were elected unopposed. nobody recognizes them .
You say that after independence pakistan told muslims in india to stay in india. There was no conception i repeat no conception of transfer of population in any speech of jinnah . In any case tell me can pakistan accomodate all the indian muslims?can we ? I still see lot of indian muslims marrying in pakistan and moving to pakistan . pakistan's first priority is its own original inhabitants and not distant cousins in UP,CP. The fact is that initially Muslim League was not even very popular in UP,CP. in 1937 elections it did not win the majority of seats reserved for muslims in UP,CP.

When i talk of IBA,LUMS, i am raising a totally valid point . I am talking about the complete superiority that urduspeakers have over sindhis because they control the cities. In India there are quotas RESERVED IN every college,university for lower caste hindus and people accept that . But when quotas are instituted in pakistan to help lift sindhis , urduspeakers start growling and complaining . The point is that Urduspeakers have no cause to complain . They are the most richest and prosperous community yet they have the audacity to declare partition a blunder, their organization MQM gets arms from india and is openly conspiring to break pakistan.On this website i see tons and tons of hatred pumped against punjab and its people by urduspeakers and mqm supporters.

Punjabi industrial class grew mainly after 1977. before that punjabis had negligible presence in trade,commerce and industry. Where did u get this list?? What is the source ?? Even if this list were to be believed , there is only 1 sindhi in it and 10 karachites. No correct estimate of asif zardari's wealth exists. infact although he is from sind,he is not sindhi but a seraiki settled in sindhi.

you had asked me earlier about the map of pakistan by US thinktanks. here is the
link:http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899




The bottomline is that MQM is a terrorist organization that has ties with india. it has sworn to separate karachi . the bottomline is that karachites are determined to deny the sindhis their fair share of power in sind . We the rest of pakistan will no longerallow that . just you wait and see . very soon ashfaq kiyani who is a glorious punjabi will withdraw support from mush dehalvi . nawaz sharif and bb will oust mush . In Sind ,Mqm will be banned . Altaf Hussain and his thugs will be tried for May12 massacre . Any attempt by MQM to use violence will be most ruthlessly crushed .
The Plan To Topple Pakistan Military
Posted by sonofkashmir Dec 8, 2007 10:39 pm
Mr.RASHID

I do not know why you bring in Sir Sikander Hayat Khan . He died in 1942 . The bottomline is that by the time elections were held in 1946, Punjabi muslims had turned towards Pakistan.Thats what counts . Had Punjab not sacrificed , there would be no pakistan . End of story.

So do not complain that Punjab takes away the tax revenue of karachi , do not complain that most soldiers are from punjab . We went through fire and hell . Do u know that the forced migration in punjab was the greatest migration in human history?

You had earlier denied the fact that Urduspeakers and Karachites control the country's industrial wealth . I stand by my assertion that Karachites have far greater wealth than that they deserve according to their population. Today an article has been published in Dawn newspaper"People who own greatest amount of wealth''. First it lists the 19 OUT OF 22 families of pre-1971 era. many of these are Karachites. Infact it was Karachi and the Urduspeaking Buisnesss elite that was responsible for the economic exploitation of bengal . The bengalis used to blame punjabis for economic exploitation but the fact was the exploitation was being done by Karachites . WHEN THIS list of 22 families was revealed by Dr. mahbub-ulhaq he was kicked out of the cabinet by the pathan Ayub Khan . And Mind you ,Mahbub-ul-haq was a punjabi!

The DAWN Article also list the names of the current 40 richest families. Again large number of them are karachites like: Hashoo, Habib,Dewan lakson,bawany,arif habib,dadhabhoy tapal,seth abid,tabani,sheikhani. I frankly admit that in this list there are many families from punjab . But then that's that . Punjab is 55 % of the population of pakiland and it will only be natural that they will have great presence in industry . But what about Karachites?? You are no more than 7-8% of country's population but you shares of industrial wealth is 5-6 times more than your due share . There is not a single i repeat a single sindhi industrial group in both the 1968 list and the New list . Similarly there is no baluchi . If any one has the right to complain it is sindhis and baluchis and not yu guys. Do you know that less than 10 percent of IBA students are Sindhis , that the Karachites and Urduspeakers outnumber sindhis by 10 to 1 in LUMS.Despite all this , you still want to bring in biharis from bangladesh? Q

Then there is a book ''The Industrial Concentration and Economic power in Pakistan" written by a gora Lawrence White . This book has different figures but the conclusion is the same . In 1970, 42 groups controlled trade and industry . Of these 24 were from Karachi 12 were from punjab ,5 were from NWFP. iN 1997, 45 FAMILIES controlled trade and industry . Of these 24 were from punjab ,18 were from karachi and 3 from NWFP. iF YOU WANT TO KNOW more about this , check this link

http://richpaki.tripod.com/whoowns.htm

One of the reasons why karachites hate ppp is that its nationalization broke their monoply over trade and industry . Zia finished bhutto but even he is disliked by karachites because he generously pampered the punjabi industrialist . it was during his time that Ittefaq grouo, chaudhry shujjat group emerged . Despite that karachites still own large share of industrial wealth . And when it comes to stock exchange and property market and media , there KARACHITES completely dominate . Infact Musharafs govt studiously avoided taxing stockexchange and real estate . I hope and pray that when nawaz sharif or benazir take over and mush is gone , these 2 sectors are throughly taxed and the stock market crash scandal is thoroughly investigated and those caught punished INSHALLAH TALLAH!

Gurdaspur was 51% muslim 4 percent christain , 4 percent qadianis and rest was hindusikh . had it not been for qadiani treachery , the division might have gone to us . fEROZEPUR ,ZIRA.ajnala,jalandhar
The Plan To Topple Pakistan Military
Posted by sonofkashmir Dec 7, 2007 02:33 am
On lyari

http://www.dawn.com/2005/08/02/local11.htm

I am quoting from this article "Under the new local body system, the locality has been given the status of a town, but its commercial areas including Lea Market and Timber Market have been excluded from its limits, thereby depriving the town of its main revenue earners.''
The Plan To Topple Pakistan Military
Posted by sonofkashmir Dec 7, 2007 02:18 am
At the time of partition , Muslim people of NWFP and Punjab had come out vehemently in favor of Pakistan . Check your facts . In 1946 election ,Muslim League won 75 out of the 86 seats reserved for muslims in the punjab assembly. It was a poet from Punjab who first came up with the idea of pakistan. I am refferring to Allama Iqbal who presented the idea of Pakistan in a session of Muslim League in Allahabad in 1930. It was a punjabi student who first came up with the name 'Pakistan'' Chaudhry Rahmat Ali in 1933. Punjabi Muslims gave the greatest sacrifices to make Pakistan possible. In order to make Pakistan possible , Punjab agrreed to its division . It lost several muslim majority districts ,Gurdaspur,Bata,Ajnala,Jalandhar,Batala, Ferozepure,Zira to India thanks to Mountbatten's manipulation.In order to make Pakistan possible ,Punjab had to part with its 3 rivers . In a space of just 10 weeks, 8 million muslims from east punjab were uprooted, 75000 muslims were raped, 2000 muslim women were kidnapped and sold into slavery . Yet inspite of these sacrifices there are mischievious people especially in karachi who deny this and say that it was the urduspeakers who made pakistan possible . The division of India was actually division of punjab and bengal . in bengal no violence took place thanks to the efforts of suharwardy and gandhi . but in punjab,hell broke loose. There were just 1.5 million refuggees from UP,CP but from punjab there were 8 million refuggees. There are today only around 1 lac muslims in Indian punjab but there are TODAY crores of muslims living in UP and CP.

Finally there was a referendum in NWFP before partition in July 1947 . People of NWFP were asked whether they wanted to join India or Pakistan and they voted 97 % for Pakistan .

The Plan To Topple Pakistan Military
Posted by sonofkashmir Dec 6, 2007 08:54 pm
Hello

Geo is will of Pakistan .Musharaf Dehalvi is hated by Pakistan. Don’t worry for we the sons of soil will soon throw this devil out.

Now for the reply. Jinnahpur is Not a mere fiction but a reality. No Punjabi, kashmiri, sindhi,pathan ,baluchi considers it a work of fiction .If a survey is done amongst sindhis, they would with one voice say that Jinnahpur plan of MQM still exists and MQM is busy working on it . Infact MQM has already done most of the homework.

In the maps being published by US thinktanks, Pakistan has been broken-up into several entities.Punjab and rural Sind have been lumped together while Karachi is a separate state. An Urdu speaking from Karachi by the name of SYED JAMALUDDIN has written a book called Divide Pakistan to eliminate Terrorism. He ran 20 sec adds on CNN to promote this book. In this book, he openly calls for dividing Pakistan and making Karachi a separate independent state. (http://www.petitiononline.com/PAK47/petition.html)

Most importantly, the great leader of MQM Altaf Bhai has openly called “ Pakistan the greatest blunder in history of mankind’’ . He said that in DELHI and his speech was aired by GEO . His speech is available at Utube. This was one of the reasons that MQM was very happy when Geo was banned. There have been nationalists leaders in Pakistan like GM.Syed ,Wali Khan but none of them went to Delhi and called partition the greatest blunder. And you expect us to view Jinnahpur plan as fiction???

Last 5 years has seen MQM busy working on Jinnahpur. They have separated the Urban areas completely from rest of Sind.Now there is an MQM Nazim in Hyderabad. In Karachi the commercial areas of Non-Mohajir localities like Lyari have been separated and attached to mohajir areas. All important ministries in Sind were handed to Urdu speakers. Do you know that Baluchistan assembly passed a resolution with heavy majority in summer this year against the building of a new port at somiani. MQM minister for ports and shipping Babur Ghauri had announced building of a new port there . Members of Baluch assembly openly said that this was an attempt to build a coastal province for Urduspeakers by Karachi. Do you know that most of the land in Gawadar has been acquired and bought by investors from Karachi.It is only matter of time before Karachites flood Gawadar and turn Baluchis into minority. Today most Baluchis have forgotten the anger against punjabis are and focused on Urdu-Speakers.

You have raised a valid point that why Serakis are not slaughtered when they ask for separate province. The reason is that Seraikis do not go to India to ask for weapons, their leaders don’t go to New Delhi and declare partition the greatest blunder, they don’t spew venom against punjabis, they don’t pass resolutions asking for ban on entry of other communities in Seraiki Districts. In 2005, an MQM member moved a resolution in Sind assembly asking the Sind Govt.to call upon the Multinationals in karachi to give preference to job applicants with a karachi domicile. When Nisar Khurou asked that the words Karachi domicile be replaced with sindhi domicile, he was snubbed . In the end the resolution was passed unopposed and every MQM member voted yes for it .(So much for a liberal progressive party)


Similarly Lot of pathans want NWFP renamed as Pukhtunistan.Nawaz Sharif had a very close political alliance with ANP in 90’s. His relations with Wali Khan Family were cordial. But when ANP insisted on renaming NWFP, Nawaz Sharif parted ways with ANP. Similarly there are pathans in Baluchistan who want the pathan areas to be separated from Baluchistan and joined to NWFP. There leader is Mahmud Khan Achakzai . But has their wish been granted? In Pakistan no ethnic demands will be met, no matter what. Because it will break-up the country on ethnic lines. We the rest of pakistan will never recognize Officially Mohajirs as separate nation on par with punjabis ,sindhis. Because since every community must have a province, we will have to grant mohajirs a province. Infact this will be a logical development . We will never break Sind.

I have lot of official work to do . My earlier reply was washed out . I will send my complete reply in bits and peaces over a period of time.


The Plan To Topple Pakistan Military
Posted by sonofkashmir Dec 5, 2007 10:13 pm
Dear Mr.Rashid

I spend nearly 45 minutes on drafting a reply but then i hit a wrong button and it washed off. it has left me very depressed . this has happened second time in 2 days . now i wikl send a reply in or 2 days but i will send one . do not worry. i never run from an intellectual debate . i hate physical violence of any sort and if u have suffered,then accept apologies from me on behalf of northern pakistan.
The Plan To Topple Pakistan Military
Posted by sonofkashmir Dec 3, 2007 02:12 am
Mr.Madni

I appreciate your candor . you demand openly what mr.salim chauhan and MQM say between the lines. Unfortunately your demands can not be met . If the rest of pakistan recognizes you mohajir as nationality,then naturally we will have to break-up sind province .That would mean the end of pakistan. pakistan was formed for muslims of muslim majority regions and there was no conception of transfer of populations in it . As for MQM,it has been demanding a separate province since last 2 decades. Infact if it were to MQM and many Urdu-speakers, Karachi,Hyderabad would become a separate state . There is no punjabi,pathan,kashmiri who doubts this. In any case MQM tried its best and failed . The state forces brutally crushed the seccesion attempt under the orders of a sindhi premier. You MENTION imposition of Urdu on Bengalis that brokeup the country . Who was the one who imposed Urdu??Not Punjabis ,not pathans,not baluchis,not sindhis. Urdu is after all not their language . It was the Urduspeaking dominated Beuracracy and Muslim League who imposed Urdu. Infact when Bengali was given the status of a national language in 1956, Babai-Urdu Maulvi Abdul-Haq led a procession against it in karachi . So today in 21st century the rest of the country cant breakup pakistan once again by dividing Sind . Any attempt by any emtiety to separate Karachi from Pakistan will be put down most cruelly by rest of pakistan. There will be no more 71s. As for biharis ,that is a non-issue . We dont want sindhis to take up arms against the state . they will not simply sit back and be allowed to turn into red-indians. They are very assertive of theur rights . Remember what happened when mush dehalvi tried building kalabagh dam??He was forced to back down within 3 weeks after all of his closes sindhi ministers threatened to resign. Bihari issue is an even more emotive issue than kalabagh dam . Bangladeshis are better muslims than us. They have offered biharis citizenship 4 times . The younger generation of biharis speak bengali . We should negotiate with the banglaeshi govt.to offer them once citizenship once more . the boharis then should accept it.

Urdu-Speakers already dominate pakistan completely . THE corporate sector consists largeky of them.Most of the industrial wealth is held by urduspeakers. Several army,naval,air chiefs have been mohajirs. There were several mohajir chief justices of supreme court. During the last 5 years all power in Sind lay with urduspeakers. Despite haveing just 25% of seats in sind assembly,MQM had 50% of ministries including the most important ministries of finance and police.Sindhis despite being the majority population were handed over unimportant ministries like rural development. Why are you Urdu-Speakers not satisfied with what you have already got?Why?Why? Name me a single Sindhi industrialist of stature?Dont act like jews and keep on harping that just because our forefathers gave sacrifices,we are eternally entitled to special priveleges.
The Plan To Topple Pakistan Military
Posted by sonofkashmir Nov 29, 2007 11:47 pm
YOUR article is highly readable . There are lot of true facts in it . But u miss a few points.pak army is not an angel . its officer corps do live like kings. Every officer gets scores of plots, house,flat . Millions of acres have been given to them . The detauls given in Ayesha'Siddiquas book are correct . Nobody would have noticed the book had it not contained truth . Secondly it is a blatant lie on your part that the investment in nuclear programme is funded by militarys alternative financial sources(military's commercial businesses) and thats why they are being targeted for defamation . the fact is that nuclear programme is entirely funded by taxpayers . The fact is that pak army and its supporters like you can hardly complain of american plans . Ha not pak army always called for american intervention to solve kashmir problem? It has recieved 10 billion dollars in aid from america . It has decided to again buy F16s from america even after previous bad experience . Pak army became American ally by choice and now it must pay the price for it . If today Americans want to cap our nuclear program,are they not justified?We know Qadir Khan sold technology everywhere with full knowlege of generals . yet you make it seem that pak army is totally innocent party that is being unjustably targeted . the nuclear program was set up by civilian pm ZAB and we know what the army did to him . As far as baluchistan is concerned Baluchis have a just grievance also . Pak army has allotted thoysands of acres across the baluch coastline to build housing colonies . All this would turn baluchis into redindians. Bugti became a rebel only and only after the military made plans to set up 3 cantonements in his area . Why?Just to steal gas.

So while as pakistani i am against american plans to cap our nuclear capability , i will not support mush or the officer corps . They deserve punishment for enriching themselves while losing every war to india .
Resist, resist, resist: ‘The gift of a crisis’
Posted by sonofkashmir Nov 28, 2007 03:12 am
General Kiyani is a welcome change . The best thing about him is that he is from Punjab. 9 years of DEHLVI rule has destroyed the country . this will benefit sindhis alot. there will be no more rigging in sind, no more may 12s . General Kiyani must throw out all of Mush loyalits out of the army . punjab will back him . the forces should be withdrawn from baluchistan and dialogue should begin . in sind ppp , the true reprsentative should be allowed to attain supreme power . this will stop further defamation of punjab .
First it was Bangladesh now it Baluchistan
Posted by sonofkashmir Nov 27, 2007 11:00 pm
It is really true that Baluch are unfortunate people . They have suffered alot more than anyone else. However during the last 8 years their suffering has been intense. General Musharaf has brutalized them like no one else . He wants to basically dole out Baluch land to officer corps. The land in sind and punjab and seraiki belt is finished. Secondly he wants to create a coastal province for urduspeakers. this is fully evident . Despite all pressures,he went ahead with gawadar port project . MQM minister recently announced that a new port at Gadani will be built . It has been a long standing dream of Urduspeakers to have a separate province/state . Once Gawadar and the coastal belt is colonised the Urduspeakers will be able to separate from rural Sind and create a new country/province.

Having said that ,let me make it clear that people of punjab are against the military operation in baluchistan, the lootsale of land in gawadar . They would whole-heartedly agree to giving baluchistan a greater share of gas royalty . People of punjab are also against setting up of cantonements. It has been the non-punjabi/kashmiri rulers/army chiefs who have done military operations in baluchistan. The first operation was ordered by quaidazam/liaquat ali khan .the second by ayub khan,third ny Zulfi Bhutto,Fourth by General Musharaf. There was no military operation in General Zia's time . It was during his time that the gas was brought to Quetta.General Zia's first act upon taking over was to free all the detained baluch nationalists leaders . He went to Hyderabad where they were jailed and had lunch with them . From 1977 onwards there was peace in baluchistan until Musharaf Dehlvi took over . When the military operation was in full swing,General Musharaf's own lapdogs Shujjat Husain and Mushhaid Husain tried to negotiate peace . They even managed to set up a parlimentry committee to create proposals to appease baluchistan . The committe came up with reccomendations but General Musharaf vetoed them .

Finally gas was first discovered during 1951 in sui. It first went to Karachi , and then much later to punjab . But the Urdu-speakers and MQM FORGET all this . On top of that most of the land that has been bought in Gawadar has been brought by entities from Karachi . Once the port is operational, it will be karachites who will be asked to run it , not punjabis . Lahore is 1500 km away from Gawad while Karachi is only 500 km away . The original population of gawadar is just 3 lacs so within a short time , they will become red-indians. This is the Musharaf/Urdu-speaking plan and punjab has NO ROLE in it .

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