Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity
Ahmed...
What Jinnah had done is good for India. But same can not be said about Gandhi. Most of the present generation Indians will like to thank Jinnah for getting rid of a cancer. Only thing is, if Gandhi and Nehru had shed their ego, it would have been better for India.
Posted by
nkg
Oct 7, 2008 03:02 am
Re: # 138Ahmed...
What Jinnah had done is good for India. But same can not be said about Gandhi. Most of the present generation Indians will like to thank Jinnah for getting rid of a cancer. Only thing is, if Gandhi and Nehru had shed their ego, it would have been better for India.
Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity
Gandhi was very cunning fellow -much like today's Mullayams.
Gandhi knew very well that, majority of the Indians are peace loving and if Congress want to invovlve Indian mass, it need to adopt a path, which is acceptable to majority. Gandhi brought Indian mass into the elitist Congress. Gandhi was also aware of the violent nature of Islam. In fragmented Indian society, moslems had enough numerical strength to throw spanner in his movement (Quit India). So, he had to ignore Moplah and Khilafat. The way Mulayam Sing etc. support SIMI. Please remember that, disgusted with Indian call for FREEDOM (though most of the people did not knew the meaning of freedom. Those who knew, like Tagore or Vivekananda opposed the foolish movement), British Govt. had started doling out sops for moslems. Gandhi had no other option than compromise with islamists/terrorists. But anyhow, the consequence was quite dangerous....
Posted by
nkg
Oct 7, 2008 02:58 am
Majumder, BJ, Harish....Gandhi was very cunning fellow -much like today's Mullayams.
Gandhi knew very well that, majority of the Indians are peace loving and if Congress want to invovlve Indian mass, it need to adopt a path, which is acceptable to majority. Gandhi brought Indian mass into the elitist Congress. Gandhi was also aware of the violent nature of Islam. In fragmented Indian society, moslems had enough numerical strength to throw spanner in his movement (Quit India). So, he had to ignore Moplah and Khilafat. The way Mulayam Sing etc. support SIMI. Please remember that, disgusted with Indian call for FREEDOM (though most of the people did not knew the meaning of freedom. Those who knew, like Tagore or Vivekananda opposed the foolish movement), British Govt. had started doling out sops for moslems. Gandhi had no other option than compromise with islamists/terrorists. But anyhow, the consequence was quite dangerous....
Whose Dog?
Posted by
nkg
Oct 3, 2008 03:33 am
Barking against Siv Sena....This is nothing new...
Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity
Harish...
Pakistanis are Gandhiwadis all the time. Like Gandhi supported Moplah jihadis, they are supporting Kashmiri jihadis.....
Posted by
nkg
Oct 3, 2008 02:47 am
Re: # 14Harish...
Pakistanis are Gandhiwadis all the time. Like Gandhi supported Moplah jihadis, they are supporting Kashmiri jihadis.....
Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity
Majumder...
"...Satyagraha= Struggle for Truth= Jihad..."
Nobody is perfect.
I am nobody.
So, I am perfect... :-)
Posted by
nkg
Oct 3, 2008 02:37 am
Re: # 10Majumder...
"...Satyagraha= Struggle for Truth= Jihad..."
Nobody is perfect.
I am nobody.
So, I am perfect... :-)
A Weak Pakistan is a Threat to Neighbours
Ijaj...
The source of the trouble is your holy book. Without that nothing would have been possible....CIA etc... had not written verses in Korun....Can you force a jain to fight jihad?- Never....
Posted by
nkg
Oct 2, 2008 11:09 pm
Re: # 24Ijaj...
The source of the trouble is your holy book. Without that nothing would have been possible....CIA etc... had not written verses in Korun....Can you force a jain to fight jihad?- Never....
A Weak Pakistan is a Threat to Neighbours
Majumder....
"It is quite correct on your part to clubbing the VHP-BD with Taliban. If they are not checked we will have a Hindoo Taliban on our hands. Their modus operandi may not be the same, but the end result will be similar...."
Majumder, you are going too far. BD is very strong in Gujrat. Apart from freak vandalism in Vadodara University, there is nothing common...
Neither BD wants to go to other country to fight Jihad type stuff, neither they are closing down girl schools, neither they are encouraging mob justise for petty crimes.... The list is very long...Mind that, BD is the only people who can terrorise islamists and act as deterrent....
Posted by
nkg
Oct 2, 2008 11:07 pm
Re: # 23Majumder....
"It is quite correct on your part to clubbing the VHP-BD with Taliban. If they are not checked we will have a Hindoo Taliban on our hands. Their modus operandi may not be the same, but the end result will be similar...."
Majumder, you are going too far. BD is very strong in Gujrat. Apart from freak vandalism in Vadodara University, there is nothing common...
Neither BD wants to go to other country to fight Jihad type stuff, neither they are closing down girl schools, neither they are encouraging mob justise for petty crimes.... The list is very long...Mind that, BD is the only people who can terrorise islamists and act as deterrent....
The Sangh Octopussy
Govt., with limited resource can not control mob frenzy all the times. When you see more than 1 lakh people participating in an incident, how will you tell the police to take stern action against such a huge mob? It is not possible....
Posted by
nkg
Oct 2, 2008 10:57 pm
#149 #150....Govt., with limited resource can not control mob frenzy all the times. When you see more than 1 lakh people participating in an incident, how will you tell the police to take stern action against such a huge mob? It is not possible....
The Sangh Octopussy
DM...
"The Sikh issues with Hindus are the opposite of what you suggest, they resent Hindus not respecting their separate identity...."
Indians (Hindus) don't recognise Jains, Buddhists....as separate identity as well. An outright atheist like Buddha, was taken in Hinduism as avatar of Vishnu or Sakya Muni....
Sir, Indians/Hindus are so large hearted, they generaly try to include everything within their fold...That is why the concept of India is still very much alive...a Madrasi will defend his Sardarji counterpart, though they crack joke about each other in their private parties....
Posted by
nkg
Oct 2, 2008 10:32 pm
Re: # 120DM...
"The Sikh issues with Hindus are the opposite of what you suggest, they resent Hindus not respecting their separate identity...."
Indians (Hindus) don't recognise Jains, Buddhists....as separate identity as well. An outright atheist like Buddha, was taken in Hinduism as avatar of Vishnu or Sakya Muni....
Sir, Indians/Hindus are so large hearted, they generaly try to include everything within their fold...That is why the concept of India is still very much alive...a Madrasi will defend his Sardarji counterpart, though they crack joke about each other in their private parties....
The Sangh Octopussy
Kamath...
Cool down my friend. It is not the matter of Bajrangees alone. What these fellows (BD) are doing in Gujrat and Karnataka is very bad. But the incidents in Kandhamal is something different.....Tribal are killing tribals not at the instance of people of Nagpur. It is survival of their culture and getting rid of deception from the Christian Missionaries....Unless and until, Govt. ensures that, the tribals, who are under payroll of Vatican, is not extended Govt. benefits as tribals, the war will intensify....The Govt. has to take some action, which benefits tribals, without loosing their identity....
Sangh, with it's vandalism, is the only organisation, who can threaten islamic militants....
Posted by
nkg
Oct 2, 2008 10:17 pm
Re: # 151Kamath...
Cool down my friend. It is not the matter of Bajrangees alone. What these fellows (BD) are doing in Gujrat and Karnataka is very bad. But the incidents in Kandhamal is something different.....Tribal are killing tribals not at the instance of people of Nagpur. It is survival of their culture and getting rid of deception from the Christian Missionaries....Unless and until, Govt. ensures that, the tribals, who are under payroll of Vatican, is not extended Govt. benefits as tribals, the war will intensify....The Govt. has to take some action, which benefits tribals, without loosing their identity....
Sangh, with it's vandalism, is the only organisation, who can threaten islamic militants....
A Weak Pakistan is a Threat to Neighbours
But can we hope that a country created in the name of Islam and which was housing largest terrorist training centre ( Mosque and Madressah) in it's capital (Red Mosque)....
Posted by
nkg
Oct 2, 2008 09:43 pm
It is not weak or strong Pakistan that matters, it is the de-islaimise (or de-barbarised) Pakistan, that is desirable to both India and US etc...But can we hope that a country created in the name of Islam and which was housing largest terrorist training centre ( Mosque and Madressah) in it's capital (Red Mosque)....
Historian Amaresh Misra on South Asia
Dinaric....
So, what it proves?....those who leave 7th century beduinism and want to lead decent life, had the option in India.....
Posted by
nkg
Oct 2, 2008 09:22 pm
Re: # 155Dinaric....
So, what it proves?....those who leave 7th century beduinism and want to lead decent life, had the option in India.....
Historian Amaresh Misra on South Asia
Majumder...
I have read in the 4th/5th standard history book that people had found idols, which is precursor to Lord Shiva. Rakhaldas Bannerjee was the first archeologist to discover the IVC and so, it was very much highlighted in WB board school books...
HP....
Indian (Hinduism) atheism do not compose of Vedas etc... alone...The present day gods were almost all non-vedic ( Shiva is pre-vedic. Various Vishnu avatars are tribal/non-aryan gods)....the latest addition is Santoshi Maa (form of Durga) was popularised by movie Jai Santoshi Ma....
Posted by
nkg
Oct 2, 2008 09:20 pm
Re: # 55Majumder...
I have read in the 4th/5th standard history book that people had found idols, which is precursor to Lord Shiva. Rakhaldas Bannerjee was the first archeologist to discover the IVC and so, it was very much highlighted in WB board school books...
HP....
Indian (Hinduism) atheism do not compose of Vedas etc... alone...The present day gods were almost all non-vedic ( Shiva is pre-vedic. Various Vishnu avatars are tribal/non-aryan gods)....the latest addition is Santoshi Maa (form of Durga) was popularised by movie Jai Santoshi Ma....
Historian Amaresh Misra on South Asia
1safe...
They are who are against Indo-US deal, supported China during 1962 war and opposed economic liberalisation and prosperity....
Now, the point is why ISAF is stationed closed to Pakistan border not in Indian border? That should answer, what is petty group fight and what is danger to civilisation....
Posted by
nkg
Oct 2, 2008 09:04 pm
Re: # 391safe...
They are who are against Indo-US deal, supported China during 1962 war and opposed economic liberalisation and prosperity....
Now, the point is why ISAF is stationed closed to Pakistan border not in Indian border? That should answer, what is petty group fight and what is danger to civilisation....
Historian Amaresh Misra on South Asia
bull...
"at the very least, do acknowledge there was never a genocide under muslim rulers, like the one(s) under the british......"
This is hilarious......and so, Indians are much against moslems rather then Brits....
Posted by
nkg
Oct 2, 2008 08:59 pm
Re: # 137bull...
"at the very least, do acknowledge there was never a genocide under muslim rulers, like the one(s) under the british......"
This is hilarious......and so, Indians are much against moslems rather then Brits....
Historian Amaresh Misra on South Asia
Dinaric...
They are like domesticated dogs....eat on plates, sleep on sofas.....and some people love those Motis....
Posted by
nkg
Oct 2, 2008 08:54 pm
Re: # 149Dinaric...
They are like domesticated dogs....eat on plates, sleep on sofas.....and some people love those Motis....
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