Yes we can, Obama! Re: # 53; bulleya

read the following please ... a famous excerpt from a Zionist perspective oft quoted:

[[Britain did not want to upset the delicate balance of relationshhips in the Middle East, so as a short-term solution, the British offered Herzl and the Jews the land of Uganda as a respite. Herzl reluctantly accepted the offer, but at the next Zionist Congress the offer was resoundingly rejected. The following year Herzl died. A new Zionist leader emerged - Chaim Weitzman. The British government continued to apply pressure on the Zionists to accept Uganda as a temporary shelter, but things changed in a pivotal meeting between Weitzman and another Christian Zionist, Arthur Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary. Balfour asked Weitzman why was Uganda rejected and why were the Jews hung up on Palestine. Weitzman responded by suggesting the tables be turned and he offer to Balfour, Paris instead of London. Balfour replied that the British currently had London but the Jews do not have Jerusalem. Weitzman said, "We had Jerusalem when London was a swamp." That was enough to persuade Balfour to begin to argue for Palestine for the Jews. ]]

Israel is where it was always meant to be ... with Jerusalem as its capital!

Yes we can, Obama! Re: # 52; Kaal bhai

the one thing that (currently) reverberates through the 'muslim' mind is what is inscribed all over the Alhambra palace in Granada (Spain) ... "wa la ghalib-u ilallah"!

...and of course the 'message' is not propagated by allah himself (since he doesn't exist) but by his very own 'mujahids' in this world ... to some the above arabic statement becomes very close to home and translates in to 'personal' ghaliba over all else ... simply so "Justice" be allowed to take her own majestic course!

Yes we can, Obama! EC ... I have travelled extensively in the middle-east and the only country I'd live in there is Israel ... the Israeli arabs have far more "human rights" than most middle-eastern arabs under 'their own' rulers

I recall a conversation I had with an ex-boss of mine in England ... he was (probably still is) a consultant physician, Palestinian born/bred, educated (uni) in Kuwait followed by the UK ... he greeted me 'Eid Mubarak' once and I reciprocated ... then he said he'd celebrate Eid only on the day the world was "free from the descendents of pigs and monkeys"!! ... this is a so-called western-educated person speaking!! ... by all accounts regarded a "moderate" by his peers! ... I moved on very quickly from that

Then there was another example of a very similarly educated Palestinian consultant who was the complete opposite ... he married an English woman and was fully integrated ... and was reviled by the 'community'! (as a traitor!!) ... such is the "community" my friend! and he ended up leaving all his cultural heritage because he felt 'pushed' in that direction ... sad!

Like I said before, there is a need for a complete turn around of the 'muslim' way of thinking ... if we choose to live as part of the modern world ... otherwise stop complaining at the ridicule you receive from others ... there is always a price! ... and stop abusing the freedoms of expression and other such luxaries you have in the "west" ... the very west where some live and take every advantage of what it has to offer them personally and then cry blue murder when the shoe is on the other foot.

Yes we can, Obama! Re: # 48

Israel didn't ask to be attacked in 1948 and then in 1967 ...East Jerusalem was still under Jordanian control until 1967 ... one can't simply ignore the facts and get carried away with emotions here ... I thought the "original rhetoric" was to push/throw the jews into the ocean (or words to that affect!) ... how can one ignore history?

If the issue is simply a few million Palestinians, show me the "special" treatments they received in their own "brotherly" countries! ... it issimply a rhetoric and a completely worn out excuse ... are you telling me Hamas (only one example) are going to give up their ambition to "destroy and annihilate" Israel if they are given full autonomy in the Palestinian territories ... with/without Jerusalem?

What's required is a cultural change here ... that of the mindset ... otherwise it is a recipe for self-destruction (the muslim attitude, that is)

Yes we can, Obama! Re: # 40

Israel has every right to exist ... the day the arabs grasp that concept and stop blaming others for their misgivings, that will be the day of liberation ... no country would stand by and allow madmen launch an ongoing assualt on its citizens ... what do you expect Israel to do if not retaliate?

Yes we can, Obama! Re: # 37; tahmed sahib

Israel/Palestine is the excuse ... if it weren't around, I am sure there would be other justifications people would think of ... it is a never ending vicious cycle I am afraid

Singur and the Small Entrepreneur in India Re: # 24; majumdar

I'd second your thoughts sir ... madani sahib is one the most intelligent interactors here ... I don't always agree with his point of view but read his posts where I can, for some true insight

It’s Not the Economy, Stupid! Re: # 29; nb

Now you are getting "personal" with Parthaab bhai again ... Can't you leave your feministic prejudices some where else please? ... had hoti hai aik baat ki!

It’s Not the Economy, Stupid! Re: # 33; tahmed sahib

Has masadi converted to christianity now? He seems pretty besotted with some reverend

The Psyche of Al-Qaeda Re: # 17; majumdar

desi men are so easily excited! ... may be 'lack of opportunities'! combined with vivid imaginations ... I saw the vid posted on UP ... there was hardly anything there to be honest

The Psyche of Al-Qaeda Re: # 15; majumdar

these are not ugly rumours ... i recently presented Ibn-e-maja's reference (hadith quoted by ayesha ... who else!) advocating this ... allegedly the full script was not available since it was eaten by a goat!! ... with "editors" like that, who needs enemies! ... LOL!!

Obama is Better for Jinnah\'s Pakistan Re: # 105; majumdar
[[I agree that Masadi sahib is often repetitive and offers no solutions,]]

understatement of the century majumdar ... it is often very easy to criticise, doesn't require any wit to state the, at times, obvious .... it is our ability to come up with an alternative (no matter how silly that may be to some) that counts

as for the US, I for one didn't think americans would/could do this ... and I'd happily eat my words! ... I wish the americans well and hope Mr Obama brings good tidings, not only for his own country, but for the rest of the world.

as for the 'elitism' .... no two men were 'created' equal by the almighty! ... if they were, we won't have any inequalities in nature and there would be no need for anyone to strive for anything more than their immediate survival needs. It is what we do/achieve and how we react, within those inequalities of nature, that determines if we are decent human beings or not ... and the american record is much brighter on that accord than what our (yours and mine) ancestors ever achieved ... and kudos to them for that!

Obama is Better for Jinnah\'s Pakistan Re: # 96; tahmed sahib

I don't understand this sir ... masadi sahib has only ONE THING to say that he recycles time and time again ... it is the US and its elite, the peons of west, white man worship (or perhaps the "black man" now??), and 'conspiracies' instigated by the above ... why don't chowkstaff just publish his views (not that we don't get to read them anyway!) and put us all out of misery?

or WILL IT put us out of our misery?? that remains the big question

Reckoning Time for HEC Re: # 97; majumdar

sad but true ... and it wasn't just Zia but the people from his beloved Jhang!

Reckoning Time for HEC Re: # 93; majumdar
I believe he was the president of your country until recently

Reckoning Time for HEC Re: # 90; dawa behen

yes .. but his biggest regret was not being let back in his beloved homeland and live with some grace and dignity