Mohajirs Are People Too One has to have eggs and a basket too to be putting those in there!
What else can one call it other than inferiority complex when a general description is taken as offensively as it appears from your writing, it boils down to nothing but a complex, although nothing was mentioned about "you" other than your statements but you seem to be willing to own it which is self-explanatory once again.
Regardless of your views things are much different than how you view those, while I cant blame you for anything except how you place your views in a compilation of statements. You as an individual have the right to an opinion and I have the right to consider those flawed, biased and prejudiced.
No one person ethnicity or culture has the God given right to claim Pakistan or any region thereof as their jageer, while you continue to claim that since inception of Pakistan in in the days earlier to that the region of Sindh province is an ownership of "Sindhis(as defined in your terms)" and in clear and strongest terms I challenge your portrayal of this as an anti-Pakistan innuendo.
With regards to Qaid's declaration of Urdu as the national language that is altogether a different matter and a separate issue, which should be addressed under separate cover as it has nothing to do with what you have been attempting to instigate and perpetrate thus far.
What you have been painting so nicely totals to nothing but the attempts of few who care to break Pakistan into pieces under a conspiracy supported by we know who, and this is not acceptable under any circumstances or terms.
First you began with the shifting of the Sindh university to Hyderabad and once you were countered on that you attempt to dance all over the floor and avoid the spot-light focus, and since you have been jumping from one place to another playing your hop-scotch, while the summation of all your arguments and statements totals to nothing more to what I have already said more than once.
A country can have only one National language, a language which majority of ethnicities can communicate in as such it was adopted, wearing a blue shirt does not mean that all those who wear another color are to be insulted.
What comes out as the most evident from reading your statements that it is the speakers of Urdu that you wish to blame, and you appear to think that they are responsible for all your problems, you are wrong and I most respectfully continue to disagree with you on that issue.
As I have mentioned and you fail to read that there are good, bad and ugly in all ethnicities and I don't deny the fact that some may have committed something that may not be as polite but that should not become the reason for stereotyping the entire class of people.
As I have told you earlier that I have personally interacted and acquainted closely with various Sindhi intellects and found them to be very cordial in all manners, so I know and can affirm that it is not the entire Sindhi community that looks at non-Sindhis through the same lense that a few like you do.
Now you bring Baluchistan in your discussion and that will have due regard and discussed in a separate discussion of it's own.
I would like to understand clearly from you that deep inside do you wish to reconcile what you see as differences among various sections of nation or you only like to take advantage of blame game strategy to inflame and push wedges among people of various ethnicities?
The deeds of everyone are reflective of their intentions so come out and say in open what your agenda is.

Zardari and the Politics of Defiance Re: # 102
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uCNdI0xJ1s

Rangeela is up there

Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State Re: # 102
You do not deserve to be dignified with a response

Mohajirs Are People Too Karachi or any other city is nobody's baap key jageer in the manner you relate to it.
It is the undercover attempt by you to further the propaganda of JSQM but while you spew all that poison on the back of a dead gaddha you don't have the backbone to speak up openly.
You resort to scattered thoughts yes 70-71 were celebrated by your kind and there is a graveyard full of people who died in those clashes perpetrated by Mumtaz Ali Bhutto & his kind who thought that like he kidnapped and kept Abdul Waheed Katpar's daughter he would be able to hijack Urdu but that was not the case.

Who do you talk about as givers of the best city, who owned that city of Karachi or be it any city of Pakistan?

Where did you get the right to own a city of Pakistan from?

Urdu and urdu walas are no less than elite but that doesn't mean that speakers of any other language are any less, but that does not apply to those who claim to be owners of Karachi in 1947 and are intense admirers of the Jack-ass.

It was not the superior culture of Urdu that was the cause of losing East Pakistan, the principal reason and personality behind that was of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who in the first place became merciful about Agartala conspiracy and had Mujibur Rehman off the hook and when Mujib won the majority vote it was the ZAB style of democracy to refuse the majority from establishing govt. he would rather give up that part of the country so he himself could be portrayed as the choice of majority and he did that exactly. It was ZAB and cronies who are absolutely responsible for the dismemberment of East Pakistan. Urdu played no role in that separation or as you call alienation.

The city which you claim to be the Best now was developed by the then British rulers and later developed by all those that chose it to be their home.

It is a matter of being literate and having an open mind lack of which culminates ideas like yours, to name a few Abdul Wahid Sindhi and Pir Ali Muhamad Rashdi were two famous intellectually rich Sindhi author who saw no problems with those who migrated to found Pakistan but it becomes more evident reading from you that there is a number of people there who suffer from an inferiority complex and wish to capitalize on this disease of theirs. They lack self esteem which leads to nothing else but a sense of insecurity based upon their complex which is not a treatable disease unless they chose to treat themselves no one can treat a complex.

While I interacted with the two named above with quite cordial terms I have also had the honor to be a neighbor of Justice Hasan Ali Abul Rahman also a prominent sindhi who never resorted to such influence of inferiority complex.

The intensity with which you claim of ownership to the City and Province, let me tell you about it with the history of my very own clan, if I were to began talking like you did I would disown everyone else from having any rights on that very motherland you claim to be owned by Sindhis.

Talking about my family it started migration from Mecca and Madina towards Sindh, some 40-50 years after its conquest by Mohammad bin Qasim. They settled in a place known as "Kanbah", which was near modern Dadu. Shamsuddin A1 Bashari, a renowned historian and a geographer traveled in Sindh extensively in the 4th century of Hijra and in his Book he wrote that: "I travelled the whole area, which is known as "Kanbayah" which is the abode of my clan.Kanbayah became "Kanbah" and later it changed into "Kanboh" due to linguistic variations in the Persian period. Though this linguistic change became common, the people did not change and they are still having their special trends." (page 475 of the Lyden Edition, Germany), as referred by Al-Haj Mohammad Zubair in his book "Kitab-i- Zeest (Book of life) Page 123.

Latest observation about the my clan is by Mr. Khalid Chaudhry who visited a number of countries in search of belongingness and whose article appeard in Daily "Dawn" (Magazine Section dated February 21, 1999) and he writes that; "Our people Pakistanis, came from every where, beginning with the Aryans, to the Greeks, the Mongols, Central Asians, and the Arabs. We now have such family names as Al-Zubair clan speaking Urdu, but usually having semitic noses, lighter complexions and Arab origins likewise for the Arabs of Sindh, but who speak Sindhi" Our Arabic origin, special features and trends, and distinguished mental faculties made us a prominent family in the Indo-Pakistan sub-continent. this is the author's suggestion I dont believe in any prominence except humanity)
Second migration of the Al-Zubair clan took place by the end of the 4th century A.H. From Sindh to Multan, when Sindh was overrun by the Carmathians, opposed to the Abbasid Caliphate, at that time. The Al-Zubair clan joined Mahmood of Ghazna in his conquests in Indo-Pakistan Sub-Continent, and then settled in Multan.
Dear Aquarius, now take it easy and settle down and give up that inferiority complex because I assure you that you are no less than anyone else in Pakistan, build up your generations self-esteem and do your part towards contributing for the nation of Pakistan, envying and complexes do not take one anywhere. Let begones be bygones and take a fresh start in the right direction with a positive attitude.
I am not claiming that everyone is an angel and may at some time or another not committed acts that may have sowed the seed of doubt for some it is a universal truth that there are good, bad and ugly in all kinds of people, but knowing who we are we should be able to get over such things.

Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State Re: # 85
Their ability to say this is the failure of our people to come up with a proportional level of journalism, it is not "Americans" who say so, it is their press & media.
Now you will ask to make sense here, and it does not take a genius rocket scientist to know that who owns the media in North America for the most part?
Muslims from the sub-continent, middle-east and elsewhere struggle to bring up their off-springs to be a doctor, engineer or scientist while there is nothing wrong with that, but the million dollar question is that if the Muslims don't produce Lawyers, Journalists and Financial Specialists then how do they expect to have their say Legislated, Published or Financed? its worth pondering.
Its time to diversify the upcoming generation in more than medicine and high-tech and participate in other branches of life as well.

Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State True Islamic society is as secular as it gets, secularism does not mean non-existence of a faith system rather it subscribes to equal recognition of all faith based as well as atheist entities while the system of govt. does not impose a faith based value system.
Imposing one’s values on another is not what Islam seeks or propagates, but, like any other system of discipline Islam has its own code of ethics, like decency is observed in USA and if one is found flashing in nude it is prosecutable and punishable under the local laws, carrying open containers of alcohol in public places is restricted by law in majority of jurisdictions, the recent laws concerning lighting or carrying lighted tobacco or smoking is now restricted in major parts of USA, while the Islamic system of governing is applicable to jurisdictions having adopted it to be the rule of the land.
Similarly Islam prescribes certain discipline and code of ethics in a jurisdiction ruled by such laws, while Islam also prescribes that one must abide by the local regulations and the laws of a jurisdiction which is adopted for residence or to conduct business, and, if one finds such regulations to be intolerable or unacceptable they should consider relocating to a jurisdiction where they do not have to face such a hardship its plain and simple and it is an individual’s own choice as to what their preferences are but they can chose either and not both.
As stated in the holy scripture “there is no compulsion in religion” which is self explanatory in all regards and clarifies that when it comes to religion(faith) it is one’s own decision and determination as to what they wish to adopt, practice or follow.
Taking this into account regardless of all that goes on in the non-Islamic USA and Canada they provide the most suitable environment for any faith to flourish and its followers to practice and observe freely.
The rhetoric that is used by the various non-scholarly scholars nowadays appears to contrast the true spirit of Islam as their teachings imply that no one other than those who follow Islam can exist in today’s world, this is a less than literate approach and does no to favor Islam or Muslims as this spreads nothing but a great amount of speculation and hatred by those who envision that Islam and Muslims trying to enforce their value system on those who do not wish to follow Islam, while under the true spirits of Islam this is not what Jihad means or is about, Jihad is one’s ability to exist anywhere in the world under any system and yet assure that they follow the teachings and values of their faith by observing it themselves not by taunting at others or imposing their values on those who are not in the following.
Propagation of Islam has nothing to do with enforcing the values system, if the Muslims of today’s world make themselves presentable to the world in the manner they are expected to by following the prescribed discipline, that will present to the non-Muslims a better picture to explore further which is subject to humanly approach.
While I find North America to be quite accommodating when it comes for one to practice and observe their faith.

Mohajirs Are People Too Re: # 149
aquarius, you state as following
as expected .
you have not read my Last lines.
and let me repeat them ,
" though you can argue , this is a Baised Sindhi site, and it does not mention KHORO as the narrater...
none the less, this shows, how Sindhis Preceive themselves to be treated by the Elite Urdu Walas."

sir or madam:
I read that thoroughly and that further strengthens my thoughts because when you are aware that it is or could be biased based upon your understanding, then, why do you insist to rub it in? it is quite natural that when one doesn't feel confident upon something they refrain from consuming it, but in this case you seem to be rubbing against that jack-ass story over and again yet you know that the gaddha is dead, now what can one do if you are so in love with gaddha and that too a dead one.
With regards to the aftermath created by the hoodlums after Benazir's murder is deplorable and it points in one direction that we have traitors and infiltrators on-board this convoy who targeted the infrastructure of our homeland intentionally and purposefully.
They are from the same groups and class who raised the slogan of "Pakistan na khappay" when Zardari addressed the mourners in Garhi Khuda Bakash, he personally addressed those who raised this slogan and said that there is no such thing as Pakistan na Khappay.
Sindh is still well populated by those who dance to drum beats of anti-Pakistan elements while this dream will not come true.
Reading your writing over and again with all the pointers you wish to use makes one think deeper although you disclaim those statements within your very own writing and consider the references to be from a biased group yet you chose to refer to the same or similar again and again.
I dont wish to speculate without knowing you but what appear to convey is nothing more than wishes and rumors created by anti-Pakistan elements, while, constitutionally this matter becomes a defense of Pakistan affair and falls within the jurisdictions of a well trained and equipped army to deal with.
I hope you find my pointer clearly pointing towards those who wish to destroy our homeland as well as those who further their propaganda.
Best wishes.

Mohajirs Are People Too Re: # 146
Lets talk about facts and people who dont know what they are talking about should either research first or hold their peace and let others exist in peace.
The Sindh University that is being touted about as having been discriminated and shut down from Karachi was not a teaching institution, it was only an examining authority and as such did nothing to educate people while it was in the business of certifying people.
The University of Sindh, the second oldest University of the country, was constituted under the University of Sindh Act. No. XVII of 1947 passed by the Legislative Assembly of Sindh. The Act was subsequently revised and modified in 1961 and later. The Act of 1972 under which the University is presently functioning provided for greater autonomy and representation of teachers.

From 1947 to 1951 the University functioned solely as an examining body. However, after its relocation in Hyderabad in 1951, it started functioning as a teaching university in pursuit of fulfillment of its charter and mission to disseminate knowledge; the first teaching department, namely, Department of Education, raised to the status of Faculty of Education later, was started in view of the great dearth of trained teachers in the country. The departments of basic Science disciplines as well as other departments on humanities side were added by mid fifties.(This is straight from the mouth of the horse and posted on the University of Sindh website which you can reach at http://www.usindh.edu.pk/introduction.html) go check it out.
Stop and ponder before spreading rumors. What you appear to be relying on comes from an "anti-Pakistan group" who manipulate every story be it real or a fix of their heads which they want to use to further their cause which is to break Pakistan, therefore, its your choice as to what you indulge with.
Jeay Sindh(and the Sindh Hari group) does not even have a moral support from real Sindhi ethnics while the echoes of their message to break Pakistan can be heard amplified through messages in this forum, and I hope it is unintentional since it constitutes "treason".

For your information Sindhis were not in the business of donkey carting as you assume, in the early days of Pakistan they either used two wheeler push carts that they manually used for hauling and the other means were camel carts, and bullock carts, as such your attempts to uselessly rubbing against the donkeys is no more than an attempt to inflame those who are not aware of the history.
Here is there charter & manifesto, one who subscribes to such rhetoric is consequently subscribing to treason against Pakistan:
Aims and Objects of Jeay Sindh Qaumi Mahaz
Aims & Objects (a)
1. Basic points of struggle of JSQM will be Nationalism, secularism, democracy & Socialism.
2. JSQM believes in national harmony and national struggle for the independence of Motherland Sindh "(Political, cultural, economical & geographical) independence."
3. The manifesto of JSQM is free state from, colonial, racism, religious, sexual and all other oppressing.
4. JSQM believes that lower & middle class is actual and active strength.
5. JSQM considers patriotic rising capitalist and "land lord class" as its partener.
6. JSQM considers Sain GM Syed as leader of national independence of Sindh and His program and idea of independent Sindh, global caolation, global peace and development of human being will be spread and practiced under the name of "Paigham-e-Syed", "G.M'ism" & "Idea of Syed".
7. JSQM will utilize all national resources to develop and make safe the national development and self respect in independent Sindhu Desh.
Aims & Objects (b)
1. JSQM supports the alliance of all liberal and “anti Punjab-dominance” parties.
2. JSQM considers Punjab and its foreigner associates as national foe while struggling.
3. JSQM considers all nations and movements as their associates who are fighting under the concept of latest nationalism.
4. JSQM will activate and aware Sindhi nation and will struggle for the ”national right of independence of SindhuDesh.”
5. JSQM will struggle for the freedom and existence of SindhuDesh Worldwide.
6. JSQM will take part in the activities of international peace, humanity and the struggles of independence of oppressed nations around the globe.
7. JSQM will consider Sain G M Syed's no-terrorism (Peaceful) idea as central idea for the freedom, development and defense of SindhuDesh, and will utilize each & every way, power and strategy of struggle to achieve the objective.
This is a published document by the JSQM.

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Re: # 23

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Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Re: # 18
Oh well have mercy over poor Jinnah, its been a while he left.
But I can see you remember a lot of players :)
But continue on in your own way as you have been, it comes like a mirror of politicians

Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice Re: # 16
Kumar Sahib
Don't be shy about age it reflects the knowledge and experience of all these decades and you should take pride in the age factor.
Now its different if there are some special connections that you don't want the age factor to drive a wedge in between :)
At least you have the courage to account all these events truthfully, not too many youngsters of current day generation are able to do that.
Best wishes.

Mohajirs Are People Too Re: # 129
Janab Nasah sahib
You say one thing then you contradict yourself !!

The roots are on both sides of the boundary, why do you insist that the Mohajirs should give up on their basics? What gives anyone that right brother?
Part of the families that have been left in India cannot be given up either, they are the same flesh and blood, perhaps you do not have any such connections but those who do, ask them.
On the other hand why dont you think it the other way around when it comes to changing, how about people other than Mohajirs giving up their basics and adopting the other?
I dont think that anyone has the right to change the culture of people.
Mohajirs came home to Pakistan not to be transformed into some other cultures, leave the Mohajirs alone and if they dont suit you then you have the right to avoid them.
They did not chose to come to Pakistan leaving their settled lives no matter if they had any worldly wealth or not.
60 years cant change the culture of people.
Yes Mohajirs are albelay but your suggestion appears to be anokhi wishful thinking. There is a great difference in Botanicals and Biologicals. There is no need to stir up Sindhis or anyone else for that matter.
Mohajirs did not come to Pakistan to become Sindhi, Punjabi, Pathan or Baluch they migrated to be Pakistani and that is more than enough for them, its time for all others to melt in the pot of Pakistan provided the level of loyalty if it is with the homeland or provincial and regional cultures.

Mohajirs Are People Too Re: # 136
Dear Aquarius
”Though one is weary about wikipedia as a source, but then it has reference sections.”
Yes, one has to rely on some source to come up with the statistics be it flawed after all it is statistics, dont be weary in using such sources since its too late to have to start a new investigation.

You refer to two seasoned scholars Ayesha Jalal & Stanley Wolpert,
Indian scholars around the world have found, Ms. Jalal's, work no less provocative. "In Pakistani terms, she takes a very pro-Indian perspective, but in Indian terms, she's still a Pakistani," observed David Washbrook, a professor of modern South Asian history at Oxford University in Britain.

In his biography of Jinnah, Stanley Wolpert, a professor of South Asian history at the University of California at Los Angeles, painted a different picture of the partition, ascribing Jinnah's zealous quest for Pakistani independence partly to a religious metamorphosis toward the end of his life. Wolpert's perspective conforms much more closely to that of the traditional Pakistani narrative.

So, as you will notice everyone’s perception is different from each other, even when it comes to Pakistan by Pakistanis themselves, while one should not take offense of opinions that may vary from person to person.

In your following comments you mention, “so some one WON a Land, on the sacrifices of Others, Pakistan lacked skilled administrators, and hence IMPORTED quite a number, rememeber Nawab Zada's Plea, and it is said, at some point in time about 70% of the Beaurucracy , hence Establishement consisted on this Imported Administors, with a Victor Mindset.
and like a Victor, the first thing that they Did was undermine the Local Cultures, so the Sindhi became a " gadha Gari wala " Culture, Punjabi Dhagga , and Pathans Niswar eating " Sood Khoors ".”

Now it would be nice if you would enlighten all of us some more that what would you identify a Gaddha Gariwala as? Molvi Sahab, or Doodhwala? it is typical that one who is in business of hauling with his donkey cart is identified so in accordance with the trade and if it becomes an unbearable indignity one should change careers!

However it was different with Basheer camel cart wala, who was ruined by US President Linden B. Johnson, Basheer was called saarban(not sure you were around those days or aware of the story)

On the other hand, when I used to accompany my mother(marhooma) as she was an involved social worker in Pakistan back in the day and was engaged in establishing a school in a Sindhi village in the outskirts of Karachi, I remember quite well having been picked on by Sindhis who from time to time called me “Makkarh”(i.e. an insect) &” Panahgeer” while none of this bothered me or my mother, she continued to diligently work on establishing a school for children and a cottage industry and sewing institute for the women and for no personal benefit of her own, and it was Alhamdulillah fulfilled with an opening ceremony by Begum Rana Liaquat Ali Khan(another IMPORT from India) and, since then numerous children who were deprived of education in the absolute Sindhi community, have been getting their education right in their village where there was no school.

With regards to “Punjabi Dhagga”, I have been called “Matarwa” many a times by other individuals on this very forum but I have not seen the term you suggest as having ever been used as an insult on this forum to even counter them, while during my lifetime I have never heard or seen anyone using such indignity, so this sounds like a application of little extra masala here & gets too spicy to swallow, and this should be avoided as it does not culminate anything but hatred.

Pathans Niswar eating, now that is mentioning a fact which was quite evident they used to and also spit frequently after that, alike some of the people who used to do similarly with paan and dirty up all over specially where it admonished in writing to refrain from.

It needs to be made clear that Urdu speaking Mohajirs from India who migrated for one and only reason, were not a commodity to be blessed with Importation, as narrated by yourself, with reference to some unknown Nawab Zada who may have said so, they came at their own free will to fulfill the dream of a homeland of Muslims, the reason they came and settled in greater numbers in Karachi is because it is a port and a good majority of Mohajirs also came by ships, Karachi was not quite populated those days and you might be surprised that even the Bananas that are available so abundantly were no where to be found those days and were cultivated by Mohajirs as well as Sindhis after partition.

It is a misconception and a serious misunderstanding about the people who came home to Pakistan that they are being labeled as “Victors” as a matter of fact it is a serious insult, no one claims victory over their very own brothers in Islam, this would be like making a joke of ourselves, and if someone claims so or perceives like this they should seek forgiveness of Almighty.

Perhaps you may not have run into many a Mohajirs or Karachites otherwise you would not assume that they don’t know about

There was no undermining of local cultures although you cant expect to give up their own culture and adopt a new culture abruptly, it takes a few generations and a lot of tolerance and co-existence, while it comes to undermining culture how well it is occurring these days that we feel ashamed to watch some of the programs on TV or share a movie with the family.

... this Mindset is still there, for example how many Karachities know any thing about the REST of the Sindh, or for that matter about the history of Punjab or Sarhad or even Balochistan ,...... next to none.

It makes one wonder as to how much you know about the topic you have taken the opportunity to mangle, I can only suggest that you realign what you call mindset, the first place my father went to after coming to Pakistan by way of Karachi was the city of Lahore, although he loved the place but due to some climatic adversities that affected his health he ended up moving back to Karachi leaving several of his very close friends behind which he regretted all his life when he remembered the Lahore he saw and fell in love with.

Other family members dedicated their entire life to Baluchistan where they taught school, administered the Quetta radio station, and later the Peshawar radio station in Frontier, and Punjab too.
There are plenty of Urdu speaking Mohajirs that are scattered all over Punjab, Baluchistan, Sindh & the Frontier, while several are known to be involved in agriculture and cultivating at many places in Sindh.

Dear Aquarius I urge you not to speculate and if you are not familiar with matter its best leaving it alone than allowing it to become tainted to the extent of causing feelings of hatred among others.
I am not offended by your writing just wanted to take the time to go over a few things that I don’t find myself in agreement with.
JazakAllah khair.
Your brother in Islam

Mohajirs Are People Too Re: # 130
Thanks for being quite reasonable in your writing, one thing though I would like to correct here,

"A small percentage of the
people that actually migrated from India themselves is
alive today.

Proportionately speaking it's a good sized number of people who migrated and included people that were Punjabi, Urdu & Sindhi speaking, appropriately the adjustment of lives was in a totally new environment while a good number had quit their ages worth of comfort regardless of it's level, speakers of Sindhi & Punjabi had somewhat easier time to adjust due to their lingual capabilities but the Urdu speaking ones took longer to merge in with the rest based on the same scenario.
You are right that there has been a sizeable merger due to inter-marriages as well as the ability to accept a newly developed culture that came to happen naturally while there is still some progress to be made it has not been quite as transparent a transition but hopefully the growing pains should be over if we learn to forgive, forget and over come in the name of that one most important factor that brings us under the umbrella of Pakistan.
Personally I have numerous relatives that experienced inter-marriages and are happily living together in good terms since ever.
Appreciate your considerate comments.
Regards