Honor Killings in Babakot
MashaAllah Quin
A nice rendition, may Allah SWT be pleased with you, ameen.
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Sep 5, 2008 12:03 am
Re: # 1MashaAllah Quin
A nice rendition, may Allah SWT be pleased with you, ameen.
There is no ‘honour’ in killing
HP mian, these so-called fundamentalists use one and only thing in their defense when interrogated, tradition camouflaged by "their" understanding of faith.
Please don't comment on things you don't know anything about.There is no religious involvement in this case and what you wrote is just ridiculous.
I wont call your understanding of my comments ridiculous not knowing how much you yourself know about these traditions, but my understanding is about what I know, killing or taking a human life "for any reason" specially such as understood from the given story is nothing more than inhuman while there are those who commit these acts and consider it to be fulfillment of their faith based understanding, which may or may not be related to this particular case.
Mullah is nobody in the Baloch life. In Balochistan, you will rarely find mosques or Mullah using loudspeakers to spew his non-sense. This hooliganism of building mosques in every galli and mohalla was brought to Pakistan from India after 1947.
Mosques and fundamentalism is not part of Sindhi, Balochi or even Punjabi culture. So please keep your posts to the issue and do not bring in your own prejudices in this matter.
The Balochistan I know always had Muslims and Masjids, similarly it goes for all other regions that you have mentioned, the word Mullah in my humble understanding represents those who aspire to take up religious leadership on their own while lacking the proper knowledge.
In case where readers of comments do not agree with what another has to say, those who are in their proper senses discuss the matter and refrain from personal attacks on others, however one chooses to comment merely reflects on the description of their own personality measuring which in this instance measures quite low, while your "hatred" against others is quite obvious based on your writing.
Talk about hooliganism, it drips from every word in your comments, which is not very impressive, while it fails to suppress when and what I have to say in terms of opinion and I don't find it necessary to for an HP to validate my statement of opinion.
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Sep 4, 2008 11:19 pm
Re: # 23HP mian, these so-called fundamentalists use one and only thing in their defense when interrogated, tradition camouflaged by "their" understanding of faith.
Please don't comment on things you don't know anything about.There is no religious involvement in this case and what you wrote is just ridiculous.
I wont call your understanding of my comments ridiculous not knowing how much you yourself know about these traditions, but my understanding is about what I know, killing or taking a human life "for any reason" specially such as understood from the given story is nothing more than inhuman while there are those who commit these acts and consider it to be fulfillment of their faith based understanding, which may or may not be related to this particular case.
Mullah is nobody in the Baloch life. In Balochistan, you will rarely find mosques or Mullah using loudspeakers to spew his non-sense. This hooliganism of building mosques in every galli and mohalla was brought to Pakistan from India after 1947.
Mosques and fundamentalism is not part of Sindhi, Balochi or even Punjabi culture. So please keep your posts to the issue and do not bring in your own prejudices in this matter.
The Balochistan I know always had Muslims and Masjids, similarly it goes for all other regions that you have mentioned, the word Mullah in my humble understanding represents those who aspire to take up religious leadership on their own while lacking the proper knowledge.
In case where readers of comments do not agree with what another has to say, those who are in their proper senses discuss the matter and refrain from personal attacks on others, however one chooses to comment merely reflects on the description of their own personality measuring which in this instance measures quite low, while your "hatred" against others is quite obvious based on your writing.
Talk about hooliganism, it drips from every word in your comments, which is not very impressive, while it fails to suppress when and what I have to say in terms of opinion and I don't find it necessary to for an HP to validate my statement of opinion.
There is no ‘honour’ in killing
What fundamentals and whose fundamentals do they follow?
Imposing a spouse on someone is not what the religion is about, and when the time is right one should seek to indulge in an appropriate relationship of their choice.
No doubt the parents in most cases specially when they are learned enough are able to carry on this as an "assisted marriage" instead of an "arranged i.e. imposed marriage".
Its no hidden fact that the mullahs who pretend to be gazing down are one of the class who are blessed with more than one wives while they peep through their long beards for the next one on line, but when it comes time to counsel those who approach them to seek scholarly advice under such conditions, such people are always blessed with the screwed up opinions concerning how to stop a child from seeking a spouse of their choice and declaring the choice of spouse as an illegal even a corrupt action!
It is mullahs too who brainwash ill-educated masses with such concepts that the parents have the entire authority over who they can or cannot be married to, it is also mullahs who provoke such unfortunate events by ill-advising the illiterate parents as to what the religion says about exercising their rights and how to frame up and portray innocent ones to have committed the worlds biggest crime by seeking a life mate, by visiting one or being seen meeting one, that is ultimate for these mullahs to encourage the illiterate by prescribing death penalty for those who merely met the person and no more.
Back to the future we return with the existence of this mullah culture and their followers, who readily pretend and assume the worst without having witnessed even a fraction of a crime they blame on someone and execute them cruelly.
Where all these who dramatize the situations and execute innocent individuals will be situated in the day of judgment and how will they defend their heinous crimes?
Its hightime that the rulers of the nation places a chastity belt over the faces and mouths of all these misguiding mullahs without any relief, as well as those parliamentarians who defend such crimes and telling their colleagues to hush and not fuss about the so-called traditions, they certainly deserve to be treated like the tradition they talk about.
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Sep 3, 2008 11:02 pm
Another sad chapter scripted by the ignorant so-called fundamentalists who in their hollow minds assume they did something good by killing those who wanted to exercise their God given right to chose their life-mate. What fundamentals and whose fundamentals do they follow?
Imposing a spouse on someone is not what the religion is about, and when the time is right one should seek to indulge in an appropriate relationship of their choice.
No doubt the parents in most cases specially when they are learned enough are able to carry on this as an "assisted marriage" instead of an "arranged i.e. imposed marriage".
Its no hidden fact that the mullahs who pretend to be gazing down are one of the class who are blessed with more than one wives while they peep through their long beards for the next one on line, but when it comes time to counsel those who approach them to seek scholarly advice under such conditions, such people are always blessed with the screwed up opinions concerning how to stop a child from seeking a spouse of their choice and declaring the choice of spouse as an illegal even a corrupt action!
It is mullahs too who brainwash ill-educated masses with such concepts that the parents have the entire authority over who they can or cannot be married to, it is also mullahs who provoke such unfortunate events by ill-advising the illiterate parents as to what the religion says about exercising their rights and how to frame up and portray innocent ones to have committed the worlds biggest crime by seeking a life mate, by visiting one or being seen meeting one, that is ultimate for these mullahs to encourage the illiterate by prescribing death penalty for those who merely met the person and no more.
Back to the future we return with the existence of this mullah culture and their followers, who readily pretend and assume the worst without having witnessed even a fraction of a crime they blame on someone and execute them cruelly.
Where all these who dramatize the situations and execute innocent individuals will be situated in the day of judgment and how will they defend their heinous crimes?
Its hightime that the rulers of the nation places a chastity belt over the faces and mouths of all these misguiding mullahs without any relief, as well as those parliamentarians who defend such crimes and telling their colleagues to hush and not fuss about the so-called traditions, they certainly deserve to be treated like the tradition they talk about.
A New Kind of Charity this Ramadan
Siddiqi sahib
I am very familiar with the "Bilquise Edhi Foundation" and no matter what they are known to do a wonderful job in all disasters regardless of the size or catastrophe, in addition to their grass-roots welfare work in the general community.
What I wonder is as to why they are not listed on the site recommended by the author, and, if there is any way they can be listed on there?
With regards to the second one "The Citizens Foundation" this is a new name to me which does not mean that there is anything wrong with them but it would be helpful to have some more details on them, would you happen to know where I can acquire additional information about them with some statistics?
Any information in this concern will be appreciated as it is important that donors are able to look up the profile of such organizations.
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Sep 2, 2008 10:11 pm
Re: # 3Siddiqi sahib
I am very familiar with the "Bilquise Edhi Foundation" and no matter what they are known to do a wonderful job in all disasters regardless of the size or catastrophe, in addition to their grass-roots welfare work in the general community.
What I wonder is as to why they are not listed on the site recommended by the author, and, if there is any way they can be listed on there?
With regards to the second one "The Citizens Foundation" this is a new name to me which does not mean that there is anything wrong with them but it would be helpful to have some more details on them, would you happen to know where I can acquire additional information about them with some statistics?
Any information in this concern will be appreciated as it is important that donors are able to look up the profile of such organizations.
A New Kind of Charity this Ramadan
Following is an example of a very highly performing organization that has been seen on all scenes of disasters throughout the world regardless of which region of the world it may be:(this is only an example and no endorsement of the organization is intended except their track record)
Charity Name: Islamic Relief USA – CA
Overall Rating:
Overall Score: (64.61)
Organizational Efficiency
Program Expenses 96.1%
Administrative Expenses 1.9% (A very important consideration for donors)
Fundraising Expenses 1.8% (A very important consideration for donors)
Fundraising Efficiency $0.01
Efficiency Rating (39.61)
Organizational Capacity
Primary Revenue Growth 89.3%
Program Expenses Growth 94.7%
Working Capital Ratio (years) 0.20
Capacity Rating
(25.00)
Islamic Relief USA was incorporated in 1993 and is a member of the Islamic Relief Worldwide family. Islamic Relief operates a wide variety of projects, including education and training, water and sanitation, income generation, orphan support, health and nutrition, and emergency relief. Islamic Relief also sponsors many domestic projects including homeless feedings, toy fairs for children, financial assistance, healthcare in underserved areas, the annual 'Humanitarian Day' program, providing food, medical care, hygiene kits, clothes, blankets, and more to homeless and underserved communities across the United States, and more.
Islamic Relief USA
6131 Orangethorpe Avenue
Suite 450
Buena Park, CA 90620
Tel: (888) 479-4968
Fax: (714) 676-1301
Mail donations to:
P.O. Box 5640
Buena Park, CA 90622
http://www.irw.org/
Their services have included relief of affected by the, Tsunami disaster, the Pakistan Earthquake disaster, cyclone Sidr in Bangladesh, Somalia food crisis, Darfur crisis, Katrina crisis, Palestine Gaza crisis; other than these and other crisis intervention IRW has been coordinating the Qurbani meat distribution to the deserving in many countries for last several years.
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Sep 1, 2008 10:07 pm
A very important subject that you have covered in this post, most definitely donors and contributors to such charitable organizations should thoroughly review who they are about to entrust and what portion of their charity literally reaches the deserving, i.e. what portion of the donation/contribution is used by the organization in the name of administrative costs to run the organization and it's expenses which includes salaries of officials etc.Following is an example of a very highly performing organization that has been seen on all scenes of disasters throughout the world regardless of which region of the world it may be:(this is only an example and no endorsement of the organization is intended except their track record)
Charity Name: Islamic Relief USA – CA
Overall Rating:
Overall Score: (64.61)
Organizational Efficiency
Program Expenses 96.1%
Administrative Expenses 1.9% (A very important consideration for donors)
Fundraising Expenses 1.8% (A very important consideration for donors)
Fundraising Efficiency $0.01
Efficiency Rating (39.61)
Organizational Capacity
Primary Revenue Growth 89.3%
Program Expenses Growth 94.7%
Working Capital Ratio (years) 0.20
Capacity Rating
(25.00)
Islamic Relief USA was incorporated in 1993 and is a member of the Islamic Relief Worldwide family. Islamic Relief operates a wide variety of projects, including education and training, water and sanitation, income generation, orphan support, health and nutrition, and emergency relief. Islamic Relief also sponsors many domestic projects including homeless feedings, toy fairs for children, financial assistance, healthcare in underserved areas, the annual 'Humanitarian Day' program, providing food, medical care, hygiene kits, clothes, blankets, and more to homeless and underserved communities across the United States, and more.
Islamic Relief USA
6131 Orangethorpe Avenue
Suite 450
Buena Park, CA 90620
Tel: (888) 479-4968
Fax: (714) 676-1301
Mail donations to:
P.O. Box 5640
Buena Park, CA 90622
http://www.irw.org/
Their services have included relief of affected by the, Tsunami disaster, the Pakistan Earthquake disaster, cyclone Sidr in Bangladesh, Somalia food crisis, Darfur crisis, Katrina crisis, Palestine Gaza crisis; other than these and other crisis intervention IRW has been coordinating the Qurbani meat distribution to the deserving in many countries for last several years.
How real is your politik?
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Aug 30, 2008 09:52 pm
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou080821_tj_pasadena_police_hispanic_ha rassment.1d6c7355.html
How real is your politik?
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Aug 30, 2008 09:45 pm
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cerd/docs/ngos/usa/USHRN15.pdf
How real is your politik?
http://www.cuapb.org/ HomePage.asp
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Aug 30, 2008 09:41 pm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stop-polabuse/message/20400http://www.cuapb.org/ HomePage.asp
How real is your politik?
Did he seek your tehmed to sound like you, stop excessive use of butter...langoats cant be tehmed, justa wanabe.
Masadi has been in my good books since a very long time before any interact and remains there for his level of intellect.
I don't seek any recognition from you Not-so-Sharif followers of the Bonga which is actually a chamboo and that too highly qualifying Ghambar Chamboo.
Now that you so earnestly recommend MQM so highly and so redundantly, I must seek to side with MQM perhaps, if not for any other reason at least to place the langoat where it belongs.
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Aug 30, 2008 07:20 am
Re: # 180Did he seek your tehmed to sound like you, stop excessive use of butter...langoats cant be tehmed, justa wanabe.
Masadi has been in my good books since a very long time before any interact and remains there for his level of intellect.
I don't seek any recognition from you Not-so-Sharif followers of the Bonga which is actually a chamboo and that too highly qualifying Ghambar Chamboo.
Now that you so earnestly recommend MQM so highly and so redundantly, I must seek to side with MQM perhaps, if not for any other reason at least to place the langoat where it belongs.
How real is your politik?
I once did the stupid act of trusting the police in the USA
No doubt, numerous cases of such nature occur in the USA (where police based on many factors that are indiscriminately used to discriminate against variety of ethnics based on individual and departmental discretion to openly discriminates) where complainant victims are targeted instead of following up on the complaint of the victim.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Oo_pMMBr8
this video is only one example of such an act of discrimination against a white who was not even on the property that was rented by the candidate!
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Aug 29, 2008 10:06 pm
#177I once did the stupid act of trusting the police in the USA
No doubt, numerous cases of such nature occur in the USA (where police based on many factors that are indiscriminately used to discriminate against variety of ethnics based on individual and departmental discretion to openly discriminates) where complainant victims are targeted instead of following up on the complaint of the victim.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Oo_pMMBr8
this video is only one example of such an act of discrimination against a white who was not even on the property that was rented by the candidate!
Faith and Religion
Oh well! you say things. That makes it altogether a different story.
When it comes to following a faith as an individual I find myself committed and do not accept that my devotion is meant to be measured by others like myself and only subject to an assessment by the one I believe in as the Supreme Authority. Based upon this I do take into consideration scholars who know more than I do to learn but nothing like mufti's or mullahs who with their ill skills twist & manipulate and even go to the extent of manipulating things to favor them personally.
In as much as I am concerned and without imposing on anyone else I find that the message is clear, concise and simple based on the logical existence of humans and their innovative brains, prior to blaming the industry of mufties and mullahs it is important to understand that it is us who have been shopping their flawed products and encouraging them to carry more of the same for too long, this places the responsibility with "us" for promoting and patronizing what we describe now as a bad experience which compels us to look for other innovations, once again depriving ourselves of the truth.
If one makes a sincere effort they will find a right size and right color shirt to wear which is better than tearing up a pair of pants and using one of the legs instead of a sleeve and cut half of a shirt to cover the other side of our body, put the collar where coattail goes and the cuffs at the shoulder, wear two different style shoes on each foot;imagine what a clown one would look in such an attire finding a little of what one likes from here and there and put it all together! sounds like the story narrated by the author.
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Aug 29, 2008 09:45 pm
Re: # 29 Oh well! you say things. That makes it altogether a different story.
When it comes to following a faith as an individual I find myself committed and do not accept that my devotion is meant to be measured by others like myself and only subject to an assessment by the one I believe in as the Supreme Authority. Based upon this I do take into consideration scholars who know more than I do to learn but nothing like mufti's or mullahs who with their ill skills twist & manipulate and even go to the extent of manipulating things to favor them personally.
In as much as I am concerned and without imposing on anyone else I find that the message is clear, concise and simple based on the logical existence of humans and their innovative brains, prior to blaming the industry of mufties and mullahs it is important to understand that it is us who have been shopping their flawed products and encouraging them to carry more of the same for too long, this places the responsibility with "us" for promoting and patronizing what we describe now as a bad experience which compels us to look for other innovations, once again depriving ourselves of the truth.
If one makes a sincere effort they will find a right size and right color shirt to wear which is better than tearing up a pair of pants and using one of the legs instead of a sleeve and cut half of a shirt to cover the other side of our body, put the collar where coattail goes and the cuffs at the shoulder, wear two different style shoes on each foot;imagine what a clown one would look in such an attire finding a little of what one likes from here and there and put it all together! sounds like the story narrated by the author.
How real is your politik?
W/Salam WRWB
My friend and I were distribution some leaflets "outside" a Baptist Bible College in Spirngfield, MO
By "outside" I believe you have reiterated eloquently that you were not on the university grounds; perhaps in your next post/comments you should think about also posting a glossary of terms that you use in your comments, specially since it appears that a good number of people are failing to understand what the term "outside" refers to here in your context, perhaps you can elaborate for those who cant comprehend.
Jazakallah khair
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Aug 29, 2008 07:33 pm
Re: # 165W/Salam WRWB
My friend and I were distribution some leaflets "outside" a Baptist Bible College in Spirngfield, MO
By "outside" I believe you have reiterated eloquently that you were not on the university grounds; perhaps in your next post/comments you should think about also posting a glossary of terms that you use in your comments, specially since it appears that a good number of people are failing to understand what the term "outside" refers to here in your context, perhaps you can elaborate for those who cant comprehend.
Jazakallah khair
Faith and Religion
satyamvada
Very well said in a comprehensive and eloquent yet brief statement. Appreciate your brilliant comments.
The author of the article is from the type of people who have no class and yet attempt to adjust in every.
What would astray people of this mindset know about themselves because based on their very own statement they are "nothing", yes "nothing" zilch, zero so they pick up a placard and join the chorus that is in progress any chorus for that matter, and, yet they hide themselves behind their so-called wisdom by stating that they chose not to be a part of any, on one hand they claim to appreciate the core values of all yet they don't have any for themselves; another face of starvation of spirituality.
Someone who knows him/herself, would never place themselves as low as this author describes himself i.e. he belongs no where, yet feels that he knows too much to be a part of anything---huh.
What a waste.
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Aug 29, 2008 07:12 pm
Re: # 26 by satyamvada
Very well said in a comprehensive and eloquent yet brief statement. Appreciate your brilliant comments.
The author of the article is from the type of people who have no class and yet attempt to adjust in every.
What would astray people of this mindset know about themselves because based on their very own statement they are "nothing", yes "nothing" zilch, zero so they pick up a placard and join the chorus that is in progress any chorus for that matter, and, yet they hide themselves behind their so-called wisdom by stating that they chose not to be a part of any, on one hand they claim to appreciate the core values of all yet they don't have any for themselves; another face of starvation of spirituality.
Someone who knows him/herself, would never place themselves as low as this author describes himself i.e. he belongs no where, yet feels that he knows too much to be a part of anything---huh.
What a waste.
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
First of all one needs to determine what they mean when they proclaim Democracy?
Does this mean replicating the US system under which the elites get all the breaks while the general public is oppressed and fooled in the name of so-called democracy and the poorer are further impoverished?
Does the only feature of democracy happen to be the ability to cast votes and elect some people who then go to oppress the voters for four more years, make big incomes and give themselves a big raise every year and additionally accept bribes from their lobbyists to enact and implement their favorite legislation for protection of their cronies and have a good time womanizing and admiring their very own criminal acts?
Or, is this aspiration for democracy based on the same priority which dictates that everything that is Made in USA is supposedly next to none?
Does having a democratic system promotes the existence of foreign lobbying groups such as AIPAC & the Anti-defamation League to promote matters of their interests creating hatred against certain people, soveriegn nations and while maintaining favorites and pleasing them to keep the wheels of the cycle of economy revolving, that have nothing to improve for the people of the USA?
Does democracy of this nature appears so enticing to the people of Pakistan, or, they wish to adopt the type of democracy that provides equal rights for all free from discrimination of all types, maintaining a "welfare state" where the democratic head feels concerned to fulfill his/her duties as the head of state and assures that no one in his/nation goes to sleep hungry?
Unless the people of Pakistan deviate from meaningless rut of democracy and first find out what democracy means for their given nation and what democracy spells like for their consumption, there is no sense in the urge of Pakistanis to seek democracy because the democracy the majority of people dream about for their homeland of Pakistan it is hard to come by.
Be sincere and fondle your hearts and minds and ask yourself the question whether you wish to impose replica democracy of USA in Pakistan or would you rather opt for a democracy that goes beyond the show window and provides for the common person a life where his/her needs are fulfilled without resorting to the connections or bribery politics, as long as these curses don't depart our life and system for governing no real implementation of democracy that they dream of, means no more than bogus democracy in the name of democracy.
Therefore each and everyone must first know before endorsing the so-called democracy as to what they expect from the term of "democracy" since it appears that this word goes no farther than what a common person perceives democracy to be.
Log live Pakistan and may the hypocrites be removed from the path of democracy, ameen
Posted by
MatloobZaman
Aug 27, 2008 09:58 pm
Re: # 1 BJwho?First of all one needs to determine what they mean when they proclaim Democracy?
Does this mean replicating the US system under which the elites get all the breaks while the general public is oppressed and fooled in the name of so-called democracy and the poorer are further impoverished?
Does the only feature of democracy happen to be the ability to cast votes and elect some people who then go to oppress the voters for four more years, make big incomes and give themselves a big raise every year and additionally accept bribes from their lobbyists to enact and implement their favorite legislation for protection of their cronies and have a good time womanizing and admiring their very own criminal acts?
Or, is this aspiration for democracy based on the same priority which dictates that everything that is Made in USA is supposedly next to none?
Does having a democratic system promotes the existence of foreign lobbying groups such as AIPAC & the Anti-defamation League to promote matters of their interests creating hatred against certain people, soveriegn nations and while maintaining favorites and pleasing them to keep the wheels of the cycle of economy revolving, that have nothing to improve for the people of the USA?
Does democracy of this nature appears so enticing to the people of Pakistan, or, they wish to adopt the type of democracy that provides equal rights for all free from discrimination of all types, maintaining a "welfare state" where the democratic head feels concerned to fulfill his/her duties as the head of state and assures that no one in his/nation goes to sleep hungry?
Unless the people of Pakistan deviate from meaningless rut of democracy and first find out what democracy means for their given nation and what democracy spells like for their consumption, there is no sense in the urge of Pakistanis to seek democracy because the democracy the majority of people dream about for their homeland of Pakistan it is hard to come by.
Be sincere and fondle your hearts and minds and ask yourself the question whether you wish to impose replica democracy of USA in Pakistan or would you rather opt for a democracy that goes beyond the show window and provides for the common person a life where his/her needs are fulfilled without resorting to the connections or bribery politics, as long as these curses don't depart our life and system for governing no real implementation of democracy that they dream of, means no more than bogus democracy in the name of democracy.
Therefore each and everyone must first know before endorsing the so-called democracy as to what they expect from the term of "democracy" since it appears that this word goes no farther than what a common person perceives democracy to be.
Log live Pakistan and may the hypocrites be removed from the path of democracy, ameen
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