Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
It's more than trash talk arjun. And it's unfortunate that's the only way you see it. And bloody pathetic. Using "the internet is a messy place" is just a cop-out and an excuse for you to be an arsehole.
you should change your nick to nanna.
Posted by
arjun_6
May 18, 2008 09:00 pm
#391 Posted by ana on May 18, 2008 3:33:29 pmIt's more than trash talk arjun. And it's unfortunate that's the only way you see it. And bloody pathetic. Using "the internet is a messy place" is just a cop-out and an excuse for you to be an arsehole.
you should change your nick to nanna.
Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
U.S. soldier uses Quran for target practice; military apologizes!
hey..they're using pakis for drone bombing practice..
The CHOWK-owners are to be blamed directly for this one-sided hatred. Instead they warn or ban those who warn!
chowk staff should try banning my IP..oh boy..I can't imagine the fun I'd have with that..with their incompetence, they'd end up banning everyone..
for all the replies, explanations and requests to the Arjuns, NKGs, Laddus, and whoever, I'd be a billionaire!
then you'd be the first paki billionaire ever..of course, you'd still be be poor compare to azim bhai...you know..the wipro guy...
Posted by
arjun_6
May 18, 2008 08:59 pm
#395 Posted by tahir on May 18, 2008 4:32:44 pmU.S. soldier uses Quran for target practice; military apologizes!
hey..they're using pakis for drone bombing practice..
The CHOWK-owners are to be blamed directly for this one-sided hatred. Instead they warn or ban those who warn!
chowk staff should try banning my IP..oh boy..I can't imagine the fun I'd have with that..with their incompetence, they'd end up banning everyone..
for all the replies, explanations and requests to the Arjuns, NKGs, Laddus, and whoever, I'd be a billionaire!
then you'd be the first paki billionaire ever..of course, you'd still be be poor compare to azim bhai...you know..the wipro guy...
Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
the internet is a messy place. pakis have been trash talking for the longest time.
if you don't like the trash talk, there are always options.
Posted by
arjun_6
May 18, 2008 03:07 pm
anathe internet is a messy place. pakis have been trash talking for the longest time.
if you don't like the trash talk, there are always options.
Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
I'm not too thrilled about pakis making empty threats on the internet. If goatbrain wants to resolve this mano-e-mano, he's always welcome to do that. If he wants to make good on his threats, that's fine by me.
goatbrain doesn't have the right to not have his feelings hurt..and now that he's told us what gets his islamic knickers in a knot, it's going to be more fun.
after all, I've been told by a mutual acquaintance that mr rafique gets really really mad when stuff is said about the ninja chix and mo...of course, mr rafique must be sick of being wrong all the time too..
Posted by
arjun_6
May 18, 2008 01:57 pm
anaI'm not too thrilled about pakis making empty threats on the internet. If goatbrain wants to resolve this mano-e-mano, he's always welcome to do that. If he wants to make good on his threats, that's fine by me.
goatbrain doesn't have the right to not have his feelings hurt..and now that he's told us what gets his islamic knickers in a knot, it's going to be more fun.
after all, I've been told by a mutual acquaintance that mr rafique gets really really mad when stuff is said about the ninja chix and mo...of course, mr rafique must be sick of being wrong all the time too..
Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
meanwhile, contrary to what the SBP bureaucrat Mr Rafique told us, the US remains firmly in control of paki balls...via our man in islamabad...the guy who baked the ninja chix..
Sidelined Musharraf Still Exerts Influence
Pakistan's Politically Wounded President, a Longtime U.S. Ally, Is a Divisive Figure
By Pamela Constable and Robin Wright
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, May 18, 2008; A16
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Bereft of his uniform, crucified in parliamentary elections and derided in graffiti as America's pet dog, President Pervez Musharraf has virtually vanished from public life in the past three months, reportedly nursing his wounds and coming to terms with his diminished role in a government headed by politicians he had once banished from the country.
But even from the shadows, Musharraf's presence has continued to influence the country he ruled as an army general from 1999 to 2007. The issue of whether he should remain in office has already divided the ruling coalition, eclipsed pressing national needs and revived conspiracy theories about American meddling in Pakistani affairs.
In the past week, the coalition's acrimonious split -- over how and when to restore judges fired by Musharraf -- has dashed some of the hopes for democratic progress generated by elections in February. Just as swiftly, it has generated talk of Musharraf as the political beneficiary, chortling at his adversaries' failures and sensing a chance for political muscle-flexing if not rehabilitation.
Virtually no one here thinks that Musharraf has the clout or the desire to dissolve Parliament, as his presidential post allows him to do, let alone provoke another military coup. On the other hand, the civilian rift further lessens the chances of his being impeached by Parliament or legally challenged by the former Supreme Court chief justice he fired last year.
Moreover, many Pakistanis are convinced that Musharraf still enjoys the support of Bush administration officials, who praised him as an "indispensable ally" in the war against Islamic terrorism even after he cracked down on press and judicial freedoms last November, and who may worry that civilian leaders will not address the problem of Islamic militancy with as much rigor. Some critics note angrily that the United States never protested when Musharraf fired 60 judges and placed Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry under house arrest for months.
"There was not a single word of protest from Washington. The Americans have blindly supported Pervez Musharraf, at the cost of damaging the country, the region and themselves," said Aitzaz Ahsan, a pro-democracy lawyer and a maverick leader of the Pakistan People's Party, the largest faction in the ruling coalition. "He is the most hated man in Pakistan, and still the U.S. has put all its eggs in his basket."
U.S. officials have stated repeatedly that they are happy to work with Pakistan's new civilian leaders but have denied trying to pressure them. Critics here note that in the past several months, senior American officials have made several unexpected visits to Pakistan or other countries to meet with Pakistani officials at sensitive or critical political moments.
Many Pakistanis say they feel strongly that Musharraf should step down now, and some compare his presidency to a toothache that will gnaw at the country and distract its attention from more important issues, such as terrorism, rising food prices and chronic electricity shortages, until it is yanked out.
In Washington, however, several analysts familiar with the administration's thinking said Musharraf could play a variety of useful roles -- from mediating with India to keeping the Pakistan People's Party and its partner, the Pakistan Muslim League-N, united.
"If the parties can't get along, then he'll stay around and see a way of being a balancer between the two of them, with the support of the army," said Stephen Cohen, an expert on Pakistan at the Brookings Institution. He predicted, however, that Musharraf will make a "graceful exit" well before the end of his five-year presidential term.
The former military ruler also appears to have an improbable ally in Asif Ali Zardari, the powerful head of the Pakistan People's Party and widower of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto.
Although Zardari and Bhutto were prosecuted for corruption and exiled under Musharraf's government, Pakistani analysts said Zardari has found common cause with the president on several counts: Both hate Nawaz Sharif, the head of the Pakistan Muslim League-N, who was overthrown by Musharraf in 1999 and was Bhutto's major rival for a decade. Meanwhile, both have a strong interest in preventing the restoration of Chaudhry, who might revive corruption charges against Zardari and declare Musharraf's presidency illegal.
Despite his party's liberal ideology, critics say Zardari has been showing increasing signs of autocracy, such as strong-arming opponents through intermediaries and cracking down on press freedoms. Media officials said he had ordered that Geo television, a major national source of news and political commentary, be barred from broadcasting in English and from airing several popular political talk shows.
"Zardari has broken a lot of promises and betrayed a lot of people. His strength now is in Musharraf, who is also the major destabilizing source in Pakistan," said Hamid Mir, the director and political host of Geo in the capital. The retention of the judges chosen by Musharraf, Mir said, is "essential to the political survival of both men."
Sharif, on the other hand, has become increasingly popular as he has repeatedly demanded the restoration of the ousted jurists and the removal of Musharraf. On Tuesday, when he announced that his party was withdrawing from the federal cabinet, he declared with apparent emotion, "We will not be part of a conspiracy to strengthen dictatorship."
Although Musharraf may have reaped some temporary benefits -- or at least some satisfaction -- from the current tiff among his civilian adversaries, analysts said he has been permanently weakened by his heavy-handed actions last year and further diminished through his military retirement.
Musharraf's close aides scoff at the notion that the president harbors any designs on power or would use force to achieve it. They say that the last few months have been bitter ones for the retired general, 62, who was pressured to retire from the army and relinquish control of the country after a series of missteps aimed at clinging to office and quashing adversaries.
Rashid Qureshi, a retired army officer who is now Musharraf's spokesman, said that the politicians' latest sniping at Musharraf was based only on personal ambition for power and that it was both unjust and foolish for Pakistanis to accuse him of kowtowing to U.S. interests in the war against terrorism.
"We are not anybody's puppet. It is our war, and we need their help," Qureshi said. He said Musharraf's aides had advised him to be quiet and stay "20 steps back" from public life as the new government developed, but that he might start becoming more active in expressing his views if urgent situations developed with the economy or terrorism.
"His only desire is to act as the constitutional president and see Pakistan move into a total civilian dispensation," Qureshi said. "This is not the time for him to leave, because there may be need for his constructive advice. But as things stabilize, the right time will come for him to move away and say goodbye."
Posted by
arjun_6
May 18, 2008 05:38 am
goatbrain tahir: will the 1600 baked ninja chix go to allah's 72 virgin pool? meanwhile, contrary to what the SBP bureaucrat Mr Rafique told us, the US remains firmly in control of paki balls...via our man in islamabad...the guy who baked the ninja chix..
Sidelined Musharraf Still Exerts Influence
Pakistan's Politically Wounded President, a Longtime U.S. Ally, Is a Divisive Figure
By Pamela Constable and Robin Wright
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, May 18, 2008; A16
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Bereft of his uniform, crucified in parliamentary elections and derided in graffiti as America's pet dog, President Pervez Musharraf has virtually vanished from public life in the past three months, reportedly nursing his wounds and coming to terms with his diminished role in a government headed by politicians he had once banished from the country.
But even from the shadows, Musharraf's presence has continued to influence the country he ruled as an army general from 1999 to 2007. The issue of whether he should remain in office has already divided the ruling coalition, eclipsed pressing national needs and revived conspiracy theories about American meddling in Pakistani affairs.
In the past week, the coalition's acrimonious split -- over how and when to restore judges fired by Musharraf -- has dashed some of the hopes for democratic progress generated by elections in February. Just as swiftly, it has generated talk of Musharraf as the political beneficiary, chortling at his adversaries' failures and sensing a chance for political muscle-flexing if not rehabilitation.
Virtually no one here thinks that Musharraf has the clout or the desire to dissolve Parliament, as his presidential post allows him to do, let alone provoke another military coup. On the other hand, the civilian rift further lessens the chances of his being impeached by Parliament or legally challenged by the former Supreme Court chief justice he fired last year.
Moreover, many Pakistanis are convinced that Musharraf still enjoys the support of Bush administration officials, who praised him as an "indispensable ally" in the war against Islamic terrorism even after he cracked down on press and judicial freedoms last November, and who may worry that civilian leaders will not address the problem of Islamic militancy with as much rigor. Some critics note angrily that the United States never protested when Musharraf fired 60 judges and placed Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry under house arrest for months.
"There was not a single word of protest from Washington. The Americans have blindly supported Pervez Musharraf, at the cost of damaging the country, the region and themselves," said Aitzaz Ahsan, a pro-democracy lawyer and a maverick leader of the Pakistan People's Party, the largest faction in the ruling coalition. "He is the most hated man in Pakistan, and still the U.S. has put all its eggs in his basket."
U.S. officials have stated repeatedly that they are happy to work with Pakistan's new civilian leaders but have denied trying to pressure them. Critics here note that in the past several months, senior American officials have made several unexpected visits to Pakistan or other countries to meet with Pakistani officials at sensitive or critical political moments.
Many Pakistanis say they feel strongly that Musharraf should step down now, and some compare his presidency to a toothache that will gnaw at the country and distract its attention from more important issues, such as terrorism, rising food prices and chronic electricity shortages, until it is yanked out.
In Washington, however, several analysts familiar with the administration's thinking said Musharraf could play a variety of useful roles -- from mediating with India to keeping the Pakistan People's Party and its partner, the Pakistan Muslim League-N, united.
"If the parties can't get along, then he'll stay around and see a way of being a balancer between the two of them, with the support of the army," said Stephen Cohen, an expert on Pakistan at the Brookings Institution. He predicted, however, that Musharraf will make a "graceful exit" well before the end of his five-year presidential term.
The former military ruler also appears to have an improbable ally in Asif Ali Zardari, the powerful head of the Pakistan People's Party and widower of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto.
Although Zardari and Bhutto were prosecuted for corruption and exiled under Musharraf's government, Pakistani analysts said Zardari has found common cause with the president on several counts: Both hate Nawaz Sharif, the head of the Pakistan Muslim League-N, who was overthrown by Musharraf in 1999 and was Bhutto's major rival for a decade. Meanwhile, both have a strong interest in preventing the restoration of Chaudhry, who might revive corruption charges against Zardari and declare Musharraf's presidency illegal.
Despite his party's liberal ideology, critics say Zardari has been showing increasing signs of autocracy, such as strong-arming opponents through intermediaries and cracking down on press freedoms. Media officials said he had ordered that Geo television, a major national source of news and political commentary, be barred from broadcasting in English and from airing several popular political talk shows.
"Zardari has broken a lot of promises and betrayed a lot of people. His strength now is in Musharraf, who is also the major destabilizing source in Pakistan," said Hamid Mir, the director and political host of Geo in the capital. The retention of the judges chosen by Musharraf, Mir said, is "essential to the political survival of both men."
Sharif, on the other hand, has become increasingly popular as he has repeatedly demanded the restoration of the ousted jurists and the removal of Musharraf. On Tuesday, when he announced that his party was withdrawing from the federal cabinet, he declared with apparent emotion, "We will not be part of a conspiracy to strengthen dictatorship."
Although Musharraf may have reaped some temporary benefits -- or at least some satisfaction -- from the current tiff among his civilian adversaries, analysts said he has been permanently weakened by his heavy-handed actions last year and further diminished through his military retirement.
Musharraf's close aides scoff at the notion that the president harbors any designs on power or would use force to achieve it. They say that the last few months have been bitter ones for the retired general, 62, who was pressured to retire from the army and relinquish control of the country after a series of missteps aimed at clinging to office and quashing adversaries.
Rashid Qureshi, a retired army officer who is now Musharraf's spokesman, said that the politicians' latest sniping at Musharraf was based only on personal ambition for power and that it was both unjust and foolish for Pakistanis to accuse him of kowtowing to U.S. interests in the war against terrorism.
"We are not anybody's puppet. It is our war, and we need their help," Qureshi said. He said Musharraf's aides had advised him to be quiet and stay "20 steps back" from public life as the new government developed, but that he might start becoming more active in expressing his views if urgent situations developed with the economy or terrorism.
"His only desire is to act as the constitutional president and see Pakistan move into a total civilian dispensation," Qureshi said. "This is not the time for him to leave, because there may be need for his constructive advice. But as things stabilize, the right time will come for him to move away and say goodbye."
Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
What an animal you must be to think of children in this way!
What an animal you must be to worship a guy who raped little girls just like the ninja chix...
And it was allah's army that baked the ninja chix...
Posted by
arjun_6
May 18, 2008 05:22 am
#338 Posted by tahir on May 18, 2008 1:00:05 amWhat an animal you must be to think of children in this way!
What an animal you must be to worship a guy who raped little girls just like the ninja chix...
And it was allah's army that baked the ninja chix...
Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
so it's true!!??!! I thought that was just a rumor spread by the hateful hindoos and the zionists...
wonder what prophet tahmed(peace be unto his self-righteous butt cheeks) has to say about that little fact...
Posted by
arjun_6
May 17, 2008 11:55 am
#308 Posted by ana on May 17, 2008 8:59:20 amso it's true!!??!! I thought that was just a rumor spread by the hateful hindoos and the zionists...
wonder what prophet tahmed(peace be unto his self-righteous butt cheeks) has to say about that little fact...
Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
dictator has attacked a school in Islamabad last year and massacred close to 1600 school girls in cold blood
maulana urstruly: I know inflation is bad in pakiland but you've gone from 1000 baked ninja chix to 1600 baked ninja chix.
Posted by
arjun_6
May 17, 2008 11:54 am
#312 Posted by Urstruly on May 17, 2008 9:56:54 amdictator has attacked a school in Islamabad last year and massacred close to 1600 school girls in cold blood
maulana urstruly: I know inflation is bad in pakiland but you've gone from 1000 baked ninja chix to 1600 baked ninja chix.
Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
I'm sure most people know that a non-muslim can't be the head of the armed forces or president.
Posted by
arjun_6
May 17, 2008 08:41 am
very noble sentiments from HP and NHK but the majority of the paki people think the paki state should define who is and isn't a muslim.I'm sure most people know that a non-muslim can't be the head of the armed forces or president.
Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
The question can be asked whether Pakistan was a country
which was created ONLY/EXCLUSIVELY for Muslims?
pakistan ka matlab kya...
p.s. do you know the motto of the paki army...Iman (Faith), Taqwa (fear of Allah) and Jihad fee sabeelillah (struggle in the cause of Allah).
Posted by
arjun_6
May 16, 2008 06:27 pm
#245 Posted by Ras on May 16, 2008 1:56:56 pmThe question can be asked whether Pakistan was a country
which was created ONLY/EXCLUSIVELY for Muslims?
pakistan ka matlab kya...
p.s. do you know the motto of the paki army...Iman (Faith), Taqwa (fear of Allah) and Jihad fee sabeelillah (struggle in the cause of Allah).
Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
Did you Invest in KSE
I didn't...and neither did most people outside pakiland..
you do know that the inflow into the KSE from outside the land of the pure is negative, right? and I'm sure you, with your wisdom, understand the concept of market capitalization...
if you're investing, you should consider wisdom tree...
Posted by
arjun_6
May 15, 2008 09:15 pm
#193 Posted by ahmedmadani on May 15, 2008 7:29:01 pmDid you Invest in KSE
I didn't...and neither did most people outside pakiland..
you do know that the inflow into the KSE from outside the land of the pure is negative, right? and I'm sure you, with your wisdom, understand the concept of market capitalization...
if you're investing, you should consider wisdom tree...
Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
yup...they're ready...
call back when they actually invest..
meanwhile, what's up with the S&P downgrade? how dare they do that to allah's chosen people?
Posted by
arjun_6
May 15, 2008 07:13 pm
#191 Posted by ahmedmadani on May 15, 2008 6:39:50 pmyup...they're ready...
call back when they actually invest..
meanwhile, what's up with the S&P downgrade? how dare they do that to allah's chosen people?
Persecution of Religious Minorities In Islamic Countries
peeweemax: the jihadis you released will kill more pakis..they'll also get whacked by american drones and jets invading paki airspace..
so, either way, paki scumbags get killed ..
p.s. what happened to the whole thing about pakiland squeezing america's balls? the 20 dead scumbags would suggest otherwise...
Posted by
arjun_6
May 15, 2008 01:53 pm
#166 Posted by zeemax on May 15, 2008 12:52:53 pmpeeweemax: the jihadis you released will kill more pakis..they'll also get whacked by american drones and jets invading paki airspace..
so, either way, paki scumbags get killed ..
p.s. what happened to the whole thing about pakiland squeezing america's balls? the 20 dead scumbags would suggest otherwise...
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