Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 47

Skeptical

The point is not what happened to the PPP in urban Punjab. Other than me trying to show my weak grasp of social statistics, my pro dictatorship leanings, my ambitions of being an anti-people peon, the point seemed to be heading to debating what the PPP won their votes on the basis of.

And while I respect the fact that you do not agree with my assessment (or lack thereof according to some posts), I remain unconvinced that people voted the way they did, to remove Musharraf from power.

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 61

Correction:

apnay mum mein doob kar paja suragh-e-zindagi
tu agar mera nahi bunta na bun...apna toh bun

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 57

masadi, some Iqbal for you--may help:

apnay mum mein doob kar paya paja suragh-e-zindagi
tu agar mera nahi bunta na bun...apna toh bun

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 56

Masadi,

There is little to respond to in your posts...when you actually make a point, I will let you know what I think.

As things stand, given your poor grasp of social statistics, and with your feeble, incoherent and often contradictory attempts of using theories based on western class struggles and institutional hierarchies to explain social conditions and outcomes in Pakistan, you are, at best, an intellectual nightmare for some neanderthals that form part of your online posse. At worst, the word runt comes to mind, and worse still, a runt with no originality.

I know your type very well. You people go and study abroad, only to emerge critical of the very system that produces you. Then you come back to the country, and like to drop photocopied philosophies in front of those who know nothing better. Your safest bet is to go to the U.S., and use what you have learned to may be try and explain what happened in Detroit in the 1930s. But that’s about the best you could do.

No, wait, there something else you should credit yourself for: you have so far managed to avoid being institutionalized. But be warned, if you continue down the line you are going, the day is not far when you could end up sitting a dark corner, rocking back and forth; or if things don’t turn out as bad, you could be a fantastic guest for Dr Phil.

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 58

Nasah, Zardari is a corrupt vile individual. And Aitzaz Ahsan probably even more morally bankrupt that him, since he is a "lawyer". He defended Zardari, Bhutto and Nusrat in nearly all corruption cases, which he now says are justified, only to then turn around because it is now more politically expedient to do so.

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 48

Masadi, indeed your work is out for the many to see, and I can see how well it is appreciated as well.

Look, I think you may have overdone it with this Mills-inspired ‘wobbly’ approach – this is not working for you. Anyway, I can understand that sending me your work for editing may dent your visions of self grandeur, I have another suggestion. Please consider a basic book in sentence construction and paragraphing. I think then you may be able to move your work past appreciation by the few. May be the generally oppressed Pakistani public will then be able to see the vision you possess – for if you are unable to articulate it, your messianic message will be lost forever in the folds of the internet.

PS: you’re not a freemason are you?

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 45

zeemax,
I do hope these conventions lead to something positive for my country. At least then we can move on.

As a parting point, respect is earned. I will not respect an in-your-face self-righteous bigot, especially when they consider themselves to be the champion of democracy. But if you choose to respect and be impressed by such petty mediocre people, so be it.

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 37
Ana, people who have written their posts in a decent manner, I have replied to them. However, what I insist on is some civility in discourse. If you do not agree with my point of view – that’s fair enough. But if you tell me my point of view is wrong simply because you say so, and then become personal, that’s not going to hold. These people make assumptions about others, and perpetuate those assumptions as if they are universal truths. The debate then becomes not about the issue at hand, but about the authors. How can you term someone arrogant and elitist simply because he responds to derogatory insinuations in a befitting manner?

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 36

Thanks for the link neembu.

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 27

Since I have quoted western names who had god like authority, let me present some quotes from an eastern name with god like authority (Muhammed Asadi aka masadi):

“This fool should realize..."

“...a fate that Musharraf the dog is going to face..."

“...miserable chowk staff who censor my articles...”

“...let me post my response to his BS...”

“I had written against this fool leadenwinter and his pro dictator, anti democracy, anti people stand...”

“...he does not have a goddamned clue about them...”

“The guy is an ignoramus regarding social scientific research.”

“I had expected this ignorant comment from this fool even as I was writing my post.“

“Idiots who have no clue about social survey methods and scientific research would comment in the ignorant manner that he has.”

“...you miserable army apologist, go F yourself!”

“...is this manipulation by this pro-dictator dimwit author...”

And the most beautiful gem that has flowed from him:

“The most outrageous thing of them all is why these miserable Chowk staff publish these dimwit articles, that are pro dictator, pro-elite and anti people and not only that they censor the pro-people voice by censoring article after article that I submit that are superior in analysis and more honest in narrative than this BS....”


I think someone’s been missing their pills...

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 27 & # 26

Oho masadi, please don’t feel compelled to respond to what this ignoramus has to say. Debate and argue with people who are more up to your standards and will be convinced by your mind boggling logic and grasp of statistical methods employed in social surveys. I know....why don’t you start a political party of your own? Individuals with your sense of personal conviction, perceptive nature, and self-professed pro people, anti dictatorship and pro democracy attitudes have gone on lead parties such as the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Although I should warn you, that party’s leader did not end up looking very good.

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 24

Hi Skeptical,

Thank you for your comments. I agree that “even if PPP voters did vote for their "implicitly" pro Mushrraf party, the intention was not to vote for Musharraf but to vote for their own party which always has retained a sizeable vote bank”. But then, by the same token, those voting for the PPP cannot be construed as voting to throw Musharraf out.

Further, I recognize that the seats that the PMLQ won were not because it was the pro-Musharraf party – as you imply, in rural areas, politics tends to be local – by and large people vote for individuals rather than party manifestos. They do not care about the issues that are at play in urban areas. Hence, I think, if anti-Musharraf sentiments were so strongly embedded in Pakistanis, the elections results would have been clearer (in terms of what the electorate wants for Musharraf).

Best,

Ameer

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 28

Zeemax,

You are right. My game plan was to write a pro-dictator article at chowk.com so that Pakistanis in general, the domestic media, the "lawyers movement", Pakistan' political parties, the Army, and the US would read it and be convinced that they should ensure Musharraf stays for another eight years. Inshallah, I think I am heading towards victory. I just hope that when Musharraf is more securely in power as a result of my article, he hires me as his peon.

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 29

Ana,

The purpose of my “condescending” offer to edit Mr Asadi’s articles was not for general purpose amusement. I genuinely want to help him reach his potential. With a little bit of guidance and education, I believe I may be able to help him channel his raging emotions, cheap vulgarity, misguided perceptions, and self-righteous views into something more positive. As things stand, his verbal diarrhoea reflects the poor quality of education he got, both in academia and at home.

Ameer 'Be That As it May' Mukhtar

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 21

Nasah, I didnt know Mencken's father was so eloquent. Was he also a firm believer in democracy like you? More seriously, it seems your wit nasah is almost as good as my fiction.

Myths Surrounding the Lawyer’s Movement Re: # 16

Ras - some quotes for your pleasure.

“Democracy is, by the nature of it, a self-canceling business; and it gives in the long run a net result of zero.” - Thomas Carlyle

“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.” - H. L. Mencken

“Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.” - H.L. Mencken

“Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right.” - H. L. Mencken

“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.” - Giordano Bruno