Yes we can, Obama! #224 Posted by KaalChakra on

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It may be easier if we don't refer to Islam at all, but focus on Mormonism, Catholicism, etc and see that is more acceptable.
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It may be easier if we talk to Allaha and ask him to convince muslims??

Yes we can, Obama!
#214 and #213 Posted by tahmed32 on
tahmed32 bhai,
this process of enlightment is not going to end in your/mine life time. believe me or not...

Yes we can, Obama!

#209 Posted by hamidm2 on

hamidm, you beat me by a couple of seconds (while replying to tahmed's comment) but more importantly and significantly in amount of humour:-)

Yes we can, Obama! #207 Posted by tahmed32 on

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And no demographer worth his salt would take seriously what DM sahib and the Indian sources he dwells on claim - that it is Islam (or any other religion) that has a major (or even significant) impact on fertility rates.
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But we can ask demographer to be worth his sugar instead and take it as "it is Islam in India which has major influence on muslims in India to keep producing more and more children".

If there are some states that are exception, we can add them to exception list as well. And then if we can get some recordings of Mullahs while they say so, we can add them as move files??


Another option is to do a census of muslims in India (or may be world-wide) to know how many of them are willing to have two children or less only and if they want more why???


But the result will be a protest from muslims against any such census:-)

Yes we can, Obama! #203 Posted by hamidm2 on November 13, 2008 6:21:25 am

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who is flagging my posts and why ?
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somebody from your cousin's organization doesn't want non-muslims to know of their plans so early

Yes we can, Obama! And I can add only this...


It is not just imagination or assumption, i know of at least one large gathering in north india (more than 5000 to 10000 muslims don't remember if it was for some festival or what)in which my brother went along with his muslim friend and clerics were telling people that only way to defeat Hindus is to produce more muslims and have as many children as possible. My brother always teases his muslim friend for this.

Yes we can, Obama!

#194 Posted by hamidm2 on
ha ha:-), good question..


In the end nobody loses, imagin all people become muslims and have fun as per Islam:-) I mean if there are no hindus left who will be unhappy then:-)

So hamidm, while it may look bad imagining it now that everybody has become muslim and is living as per God's wish (written in Kuran:-)), it may not look that bad when everybody is actually muslim... (times between now and then will be more troublesome... and we have to suffer it as God ordained so:-))

It is muslim identity that wishes so, assuming that they are really muslims and not something beyond it!

The Capture of Christianity Kaal,
by the way you took two "thank you" from me and never replied on that "applonius" stuff that i copied?

It seems you can write a book on "understanding muslim/islamic reason", perhaps after a little bit of more exercise here..

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Kaal chakra,

In #155 Murad took the trophy of "secularist" while we were offering "pseudo secularist" or "indian secularist". What are you managing man??

Murad said:
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I can and will go no further than the limits of my knowledge or beliefs.
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So there lies his committment, he can drop his quest for knowledge or truth if it seems to affect his Islamic commitment as a non practising muslim??

This also suggests that a practising muslim doesn't even need to have any such quest for any knowledge or truth.

And it seems you were right, things/world may be quite different if you are a muslim:-) And reasoning can be completely optional thing (like use when needed for Islam) in that case.

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#164 Posted by KaalChakra on November 12, 2008 11:01:27 am

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Wrong ideologies, traditional religions, and oppressive elites - political and religious - are the problem. Islam - correctly understood and self-discovered by people themselves - is the solution.
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Kaal:-) What are you doing man? Your statement is still quite complex.

Let's simplify it further:
What you find "wrong" is "wrong" but what you find right is Islam. If this is not the truth you find, you don't understand Islam.


"La Ialaha Il Allaha....." then becomes "Use Islam and not reason, Islam is the reason of God".

That is all you need to say???

The Capture of Christianity #143 Posted by KaalChakra on
thank you, thank you.. if you don't already know it, it may give you an idea about which Jesus is more plausible..

The Capture of Christianity #137 Posted by KaalChakra on
Murad is very sincere in his attempt to balm hurt ego of Islam. He picks one topic each time and tries to balm some part of this ego. So in some article he will say even Hinduism killed many, then he will say all prophets were nice but people hijacked their thoughts, now he is saying that even Christianity was copied from Budhdhism (he won't say Hinduism) so don't say if Islam was copied from Christianity, he will add a rider that all religions influenced each other. Again if you ask him about Prophet Muhammad having done many not so good deeds, he will striaght away give you example of Abraham and Sarah, to dilute it (like he did in #127).

So a committed ego balmer. What he doesn't know is that such ego-balmers are part of Islam since ever. This is what Islamist propagandists do, you ask them anything in Islam, they will talk at length about other religions, assuming that muslims won't even check what arguments they are giving and they can safely ignore all serious arguments from non-muslims.

The only reason muslims seem so far away from truth and are able to ignore degree of difference while comparing things/ideas (can compare anything to anything) is becaue they had such ego-balmers who did a good job to keep teaching suh an art of reasoning to them.

The Capture of Christianity #128 Posted by KaalChakra on

Bhai Kaal, Badde-badde logon ke beech badi badi chhodni padti hai, too much or too little who will read?, I mean who is serious in any case. I wrote a shorter version long time back against Murad's earlier article. This is second time and perhaps a few more will get to read it.

But what do you think about it, did you know it already?

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Your faithful troll will give you some more info to think about, compare it against what you got from other stores..…

google Philostratus and Applonious and read about them from philosophical or historical resources (as per your taste and understanding of reliability), check how important or well known they are….


check following link and find reference to Brahminns and India, sample is given below
http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/aot/laot/laot04.htm

CHAPTER XVIII
AFTER this he formed the scheme of an extensive voyage, and had in mind the Indian race and the sages there, who are called Brahmans and Hyrcanians;

Now troll speak..
While none of these things are guaranteed to be true, but not all of them are equally absurd.

Christians hate name of Philostratus as well as name of Applonious cause it hurts them by making Jesus less than divine and more close to Hinduism than they can believe, but both of them are historical people (much more than Jesus). Christians have tried to destroy books written by Philostratus and have tried hard to discredit him by writing materials on him and applonious and by creating lot of confusion (religious style logic, refute something, use the same thing that you refuted to prove something else:-)).


As you will see he was an important person during that time in Greece. He was born in 170CE, so close to Christ, never mentions anything like Christ and he belongs to the famous Pythagorean school of philosophy. It is almost impossible to assume that if Christ lived and was anywhere close to as important a person as is being told, in 100-200AD than this guy would not have known it. That is what gives credence to the story that Christ was based on life of Appolonious and Christianity is based on what Applonious said.

Here is a link from wikipdeia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Tyana

Some copy paste from that link…
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[edit] Journey to India
Philostratus devoted two and a half of the eight books of his Life of Apollonius (1.19-3.58) to the description of a journey of his hero to India. According to Philostratus' Life, en route to the Far East, Apollonius reached Hierapolis Bambyce (Manbij) in Syria (not Nineveh, as some scholars believed), where he met Damis, a native of that city who became his lifelong companion. Pythagoras, whom the Neo-Pythagoreans regarded as an exemplary sage, was believed to have travelled to India. Hence such a feat made Apollonius look like a good Pythagorean who spared no pains in his efforts to discover the sources of oriental piety and wisdom. As some details in Philostratus’ account of the Indian adventure seem incompatible with known facts, modern scholars are inclined to dismiss the whole story as a fanciful fabrication, but not all of them rule out the possibility that the Tyanean actually did visit India.[15]

On the other hand, there seemed to be independent evidence showing that Apollonius was known in India. In two Sanskrit texts quoted by Sanskritist Vidhushekhara Bhattacharya in 1943[16] he appears as "Apalūnya", in one of them together with Damis (called "Damīśa"). There it is claimed that Apollonius and Damis were Western yogis who held wrong Buddhist views, but later on were converted to the correct Advaita philosophy.[17]
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Add more to #143 Posted by pinku on

And for people who like ideas in the form of pomis, I wrote two pomi-ilogs sometime back to pretend that....

1. XXX philosophy: a pomi

2. Remember....true being is being "truth" and not "being", your being becomes when it lives truths..


the long "beingy" thing was to support pretense of truth and the "XXX" thing was to support pretense of "wish away" part...

So as often I am repeating myself..

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#141 Posted by KaalChakra on

I am not dedicated to proving other's ideas wrong. Nor I am dedicated to proving muslim's ideas wrong. My intention is to keep putting efforts that muslims do not "wish away" truths or reason that easily, in their attempt to quickly satisfy their group ego.



My efforts in general are not to let truth be by-passed so easily, doesn't matter what scholar, politician or idea you refer to. Further, I do not take responsibility to state any idea with perfection and in great detail, I just try to force a direction as per my understanding of truth.

Now if I am giving wrong reason and people do not give arguments against them, then I will fail in my effort because I myself will bypass truth.