The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation भविष्य को टटोलने की चेष्टा है ज्योतिष--अनेक-अनेक मार्गों से। उनमें एक मार्ग, जो सर्वाधिक प्रचलित हुआ, वह ग्रह-नक्षत्रों का प्रभाव मनुष्य के ऊपर। उसके लिए वैज्ञानिक आधार रोज-रोज मिलते चले जाते हैं। इतना तय हो गया है कि जीवन प्रभावित है। और जीवन अप्रभावित नहीं हो सकता है।

Local Liberal Dribble Mad Sad I,

You did not answer the simple question, "followers of which religion kill followers of other religions at their place of worship?"

What does it have to do with US? Followers of your religion harm us, the innocent ones.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation वैज्ञानिक कहते हैं, अभी हम यह तो नहीं कह सकते कि व्यक्तिगत रूप से कोई बच्चा प्रभावित होता होगा, लेकिन अब हम यह पक्के रूप से कह सकते हैं कि जीवन प्रभावित होता है। एक बात, व्यक्तिगत रूप से बच्चा प्रभावित होता होगा, हम अभी नहीं कह सकते हैं, लेकिन जीवन निश्चित रूप से प्रभावित होता है। और अगर जीवन प्रभावित होता है तो हमारी खोज जैसे-जैसे सूक्ष्म होगी वैसे-वैसे हम पाएंगे कि व्यक्ति भी प्रभावित होता है।
इसमें एक बात और खयाल में ले लेनी जरूरी है। जैसा सोचा जाता रहा है--वह तथ्य नहीं है--ऐसा सोचा जाता रहा है कि ज्योतिष विकसित विज्ञान नहीं है। प्रारंभ उसका हुआ और फिर वह विकसित नहीं हो सका। लेकिन मेरे देखे स्थिति उलटी है। ज्योतिष किसी सभ्यता के द्वारा बहुत बड़ा विकसित विज्ञान है, फिर वह सभ्यता खो गई और हमारे हाथ में ज्योतिष के अधूरे सूत्र रह गए। ज्योतिष कोई नया विज्ञान नहीं है जिसे विकसित होना है, बल्कि कोई विज्ञान है जो पूरी तरह विकसित हुआ था और फिर जिस सभ्यता ने उसे विकसित किया वह खो गई। और सभ्यताएं रोज आती हैं और खो जाती हैं। फिर उनके द्वारा विकसित चीजें भी अपने मौलिक आधार खो देती हैं, सूत्र भूल जाते हैं, उनकी आधारशिलाएं खो जाती हैं।
विज्ञान आज इसे स्वीकार करने के निकट पहुंच रहा है कि जीवन प्रभावित होता है। और एक छोटे बच्चे के जन्म के समय उसके चित्त की स्थिति ठीक वैसी होती है जैसे बहुत सेंसिटिव फोटो प्लेट की। इस पर दोत्तीन बातें और खयाल में ले लें, ताकि समझ में आ सके कि जीवन प्रभावित होता है। और अगर जीवन प्रभावित होता है तो ही ज्योतिष की कोई संभावना निर्मित होती है, अन्यथा निर्मित नहीं होती। जुड़वां बच्चों को समझने की थोड़ी कोशिश करें।

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation tahmed32,

"-2 + (-2) = -4. which is where communalism has put India - a population giant (1 billion people) and an up and coming economic giant, but a political pygmy in the region compared to its population size."

Would you please elaborate? Do you mean if Nehru had not happened and India had gone completely into the camp of West/US, we would have got seat on security council? If we had Hindu Suharto then we would have got rid of religious minorities which include Christians? Granted then Gujarath would not have happened. We would be economically bigger than China, a Japan with 1.2Billion people.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Corrections in 727:
"Sqges, saints and sadhus do miracles out of concern for growth of the followers. They infact the wrath of the Natural Law for Karma not go along its natural course. But to show the correct path and reduce the pain of a follower, so that his consciousness can latch on to higher/divine things, miracles are done."

Sqges, saints and sadhus do miracles out of concern for growth of the followers. They infact suffer the the wrath of the Natural Law for Karma by not allowing it to go along its natural course. But to show the correct path and reduce the pain of a follower, so that his consciousness can latch on to higher/divine things, miracles are done.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Murad,

Re 730:
"I agree with you that many gurus were false and mislead their followers so I do not subscribe to the guru - shishya theory that so many gurus promote for self aggrandisement and to sell their own ideas."

It seems you are in a digital or binary world. Where did I say gurus were false. How can one say such things? If guru Vashishtha was false then he would not be able to create shishya such as Ram. If Guru Sandipani was false then he would not be able to create shishya like Krishna. Even in today's world if guru AnandaMurthy was false he would not be able to create such a large and social servicing organization. Same is true with Shivanada, Chinmayananda and Ma Amruthananda. Many of them are beyond aggrandizing. They do not have families or progenies to support. Very calculative and strict Americans and Europeans would not donate so much money to them. Compare them to Christian, Islamic and Communists who promote only one idea, and ie, when you convert you are different from your neighbors, relations and it's your duty to spread the religion/ism. Who are devillish? Even the self aggrandazing hedonistic gurus, who are rare and wont last long, are better than these who spread the vicious ideaologies of religion and isms.

"Parmahansa, Osho, Vivekananda and others were great thinkers and philosophers but they were not historians."

Soo? What is the point? Did you read the Hindi doc by the Jain by birth philosopher and has doubts about the dates in this document? Who has more to lose in terms of credibility than a so called paid history researcher, who does not have any following but has to pander to the boss or who ever ispaying his bill? Who would lie and concoct history?
Also please do not throw names Ketkar and Vaid. Quote them in context. Most of the corruption by Brahmins or upper castes is a myth to divide the society. This is done to gain political and economic powers by foreigners. You chase the Roopie coming to a so called historian back to its source, you will find either a foreigner or political ideology behind. Dange's daughter does not marry a dalit but a brahmin who converted to Christianity.

I asked you to backtrack from the present reality. Think you are from Mars and visiting earth. Take an example of some Jinha. You as a historian might have more access to his ancestory. If you live in Pakistan you have access to his relatives. If you are in India you can telephone them and interview them. Find the reason why Jinha's ancestor converted to Islam. My guess is it's not the spirituality in Islam but economics and social power.

"You should carefully study the philosophy of Sankhya before making comments. It is worth studying even if many do not like it because it does not subscribe to the idea of a great prayer answering god who can miraculously help its worshippers."

If you have studied then can you please elaborate Sankhya. I genuinely want to learn. Please do not ask me to read a book. Write 20 lines on it.

Praying even for material gain removes attention from the anguish of wants, atleast for few minutes. You forget for those minutes yourselves. Five times Namaz is good.

Local Liberal Dribble Godfinger or Middle finger to God,

"Is India the land of angels "

I do not know exactly what is an angel? But looking at Pakistanis and in comparison to them it seems so. Be it in UK or US, Indians seem to be model citizens. Thuggy is more British concoction so that Indians and the world do not start looking at the thuggery of British in Trillions.

Rest of your post is a plain rant under the influence of drugs. Please come back afer you get into senses.

Local Liberal Dribble Masadi,
"Not only is this claim outrageous whoever its proponents are have defined "terrorist" based on their own bigotry and stereotypical convenience. What the US does world over to control the majority world through the barrel of the gun and through a web of deceit or economic starvation in a system in which the taps are controlled by them, how does that not translate as terrorism, and those numbers convert your 90% into a pittling 0.0001% FOOL."

Is US a religion? My guess of 90% might be worng it could be 97% or 100%. Answer this question followers of which religion harm/kill people at random folks of other faiths/religions at their places of worship? Don't you see your religion in the mirror? What does it have to do with US? We know you cannot do any harm to US but do a lot to us, the innocents.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Murad,

"Studies by PG Sinha, Vaidya and others suggest that these priests corrupted and altered the Sankhya Kalika of Kapil (perhaps the earliest indigenous philosophy)and introduced elements of `miraculous' `divine' spirituality that were absent in Sankhya, Buddhism and Jainism. They only believed in two realities of the Purush (self) and Prakriti (nature) with no divine master. This research shows how Patanjali's Yoga and the Bhagavat Gita were corrupted at this time."

Leaving history, concocted history or looking history through tainted glasses aside, look at the present reality and back track it. As I mentioned in earlier posts when the focus is on headcounts, quality and improvement of head is of no count. Islam, Christanity and Communism are headcount religions.

Sqges, saints and sadhus do miracles out of concern for growth of the followers. They infact the wrath of the Natural Law for Karma not go along its natural course. But to show the correct path and reduce the pain of a follower, so that his consciousness can latch on to higher/divine things, miracles are done. Each one of us is unique. We fall in love with diffeerent things, activities and hobbies. Different deities is the way Sanatan Dharma helped the follower to latch on to the higher/divine. Similarly the convcept of family deity and village deity came about. These are different names/manifestations for the same ie Brahma, Vishnu and Maheshwar and their powers Vidya, Lakshmi and Shakti.

If you can read hindi, even this Jain fellow has this to stay about astrology which has become a dirty word today.
http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=libarchive&Language=Hindi&AllFrames= 1&CFID=26535260&CFTOKEN=71660247
There are Jotish who are crooks but it is not the falut of Jotishya.

Corruption happened in Sanatan Dharma because of few corrupt individuals. But it did not organize itself to grab material wealth, rule other folks and divide people.

You wrote:
"They only believed in two realities of the Purush (self) and Prakriti (nature) with no divine master."

This is utterly false. It is not self but Self. What we perceive as "I" is Jivatma out of ignorence. I hope you have come across analogy of two birds on a tree, one at the top and the other at the bottom branch. They are one and the same. The bottom one calls itself self and addresses the top one as Self when it becomes little more aware.

You need to read a lot or more live Sanatan Dharma. RamKrishna ParamHans lived Islam for few years and then practicedd Christanity for few years and then reverted back to Sanatan Dharma. It would be good if you live Sanatan Dharma. Be a disciple of a guru. Even some journalists went to Gurus to find how bad cheats these gurus were and turned 180 degrees around to become one themselves.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation tahmed32,
"If I was new to chowk, I would have been shocked that you said this. But, having heard this line from countless Indian posters before you, I realize that in India such absurdities are considered "conventional wisdom"."

It seems 2+2 = 4 is absurd for you. Ask your self if Godhra had not happened Gujarat riots would have happened? Ask your self how many mosques and churches Hindus have demolished? Ask yourself who have started almost all the riots? Ask yourself why, when India subsidizes Haj and Kashmiri Muslims have been fed and educated almost free they are not willing to give a small land for Hindu pilgrims well being in harsh climate?

Only Indians are not saying this even Iranians are also saying that. http://www.iranian.com/main/member/amil-imani

Religion is an alien concept to Indians. The religious folks such as Islam, Christianity and Communism are in the business of increasing their head count. They are not worried about the quality of the head and improving it. Focus is getting the headcount by any means so that the religious group rules the land and the people. It does not treat man divine, so it violates the Natural Law. Violence is part and parcel of this idea called religion.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Shah2,
"Faih religion what ever you call its semantic

Group when have us and them the fight

.Assamese rioted against bengali

Hindu against Sikhs

On many other smaller scale groups do kill.. why deny.
Gujrat was cruel criminal unjustifiable .only defence is insanity .Its cowardic to pick fight with weaker .You can always push some one (screaming done to me)justifying killing.

Its not necessarily Faith under attack but cultural or 'rascialnes' of that faith ."

Can we talk only about harming/killing because of faith/religion. Can you tell which is (are) that (those) religions/isms/faiths who advocate harming/killing to convert to their faith?

Please do not bring in violence due to economics, gangs, states etc? Please keep in mind that anarchist might start appearing as saints to uninitiated fools.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Shah2,

"Why did so called khthriyas inclined to Jainism budhist'
are NOW not so but
on
contrary abusive violent casteist Naxal infested ranver sena .

Certainly muslim did not convet buddhist more manageable and governable into violent lot.Buddhist Jains replacemet Its only 1000yrs ago when first muslim landed in Malabar hill areas"

Today's Marwadi traders and Baniyas are Bihari Kshatriyas converted to Jainism.

Bengal started becoming Muslim 400 years back. look for wiki on Bengal history. Because of oppression and atrocities on Bengalis while this conversion was happening in 16th century Bengalis moved to Vijayanagar, Konkan in Karnataka and Maharashtra.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Shah2,

"Bengal has not had any Martial history
Non MARTIAL"

British Lie!


According to Mahavamsa, Vijaya Singha, a Vanga prince, conquered Lanka (modern day Sri Lanka) in 544 BC and gave the name "Sinhala" to the country. Bengali people also colonized Laat (Gujarat), Madras and the Indonesian archipelago. The Chera, Tamil, Andhra and Karnataka people are also said to be connected with the Bengalis.

A few Naga worshipping peoples -- Marana, Chera, Pangalathirayar -- migrated from Bengal to South India and established their own kingdoms there. Lac Long Quan, a Naga warrior migrated from bôn-lang(Bengal) to Anam (Vietnam) conquered the land (7th century BCE) and renamed it according to the name of his motherland (bon-lang). The kings of Lac Long's line were known as bôns (Bongs) and they ruled Anam up to the 3rd century BCE.

Gangaridai Empire

In 326 BCE, with the invasion of Alexander the Great the region again came to prominence. The Greek and Latin historians suggested that Alexander the Great withdrew from India anticipating the valiant counter attack of the mighty Gangaridai and Prasioi empires that were located in the Bengal region. Alexander, after the meeting with his officer, Coenus, was convinced that it was better to return. Diodorus Siculus mentions Gangaridai to be the largest and the most powerful empire in India whose king possessed an army of 20,000 horses, 200,000 infantry, 2,000 chariots and 4,000 elephants trained and equipped for war. The allied forces of Gangaridai and Prasii (Nanda Empire) were preparing a massive counter attack against the forces of Alexander on the banks of Ganges. Gangaridai according to the Greek accounts kept on flourishing at least up to the 1st century AD.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Eklavya,

"Buddhism is showing reappearance"

More as a political party. There will not be any wall between so called Hinduism and Budhism. We all use our Buddhi/Intellect and decide on rational thought so we are all Buddhist. Just kidding!

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Eklavya,

"And it would have 'lost' to Islam even if Shankaracharya did not exist. In India (tragically, if you are so inclined), Buddhism got beat on both ends - by two very different ideologies, simultaneously, almost."

Wrong! Todays so called Hinduism, as practiced is Buddhism and Jainism. Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism are attempts to weed out corruption from Sanatan Dharma.

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation tahmed32 ,

"And who decides what is for the "health of society"? and who decides how this "harm" to an individual or community will improve this health?"

Who decides? Who decides today? People who have higher understanding, who have leadership skills, who communicate better, who have wealth creation ideas, who have influence/power over the community. This is how every society whether tribal or modern. For some time Kautilya ArthaShastra was the guide to decide. People on whom this power of decison was bestowed upon were trained Vedic scholars, scholars in Jaina scriptures (much more volumnous and detailed) and Buddhist scriptures and the kings who were considered to be living the scriptures.

"Your argument has been used by murderers for centuries (including the gujrat killers, including Hitler) to justify "harm" to the weak - which includes religious minorities - in society!!"

Which argument? Argument that there was nothing like religion? Harming people because of their faith is not Indian way?

Gujarath killing is more revenge for Godhra. Politicians/Britishers divided the society using religion. Pampered certain group against others using these alien concepts of minority and majority. Look at Shah2's statement saying Bengal did not have Martial history. Britisher's propagated such myths.

May I ask you can you tell me how many people were murdered because of this concept called religion? In which country there are sectarian and religious wars are being faught? What is Taliban? Did Pakistanis protested when Buddha's statues were destroyed eight years back? I am assuming you are Pakistani.

Anyway we are going all over. Dont know why you had to bring Gujarath. My point was simple that if physical harm was done to people in India it was not done in the name of faith.