Faith and Religion Murarilal G,

I am really interested in studying molding of the weak SahajRam mind into plate shitting Allaha Ki Maa. What is in this Shantik Pustika (aka Koran) that makes people disown their own language, culture, ancestry, community feeling or belonging to becoming a slave to distant alien culture, language and race. To make this study little more interesting and money earning I thought we can come up with the script for a nice serial or film. Did you like the name - Durbari Shantic (aka Islamic) gandu Bhi Kabhi Hindu The.

Short DSGBKHT.

Faith and Religion Namaskar Murarilal G,

New biz card is not yet ready? How is the reading and searching for Rishis and Mutts around Gomati going on? Please let us know what you found in your search. Have you heard about Rishi Madvya? History is Itihaas and Puran for us. We do not care for the dates and the color of langots or length of the moonch of the people involved. What matters is the subtle essence which drives the personalities and make certain event happen. Swami murdered in cold blood because of alien concept of religion and dividing people so that they can be enslaved is more important fact rather than the year of making the AK47 and the ancestry of the enslaved Paulian or Shantic (aka Islamic) kid. They are just the pawns in the hands of devilish ideologies of Abrahmic religion.

I would listen to you if you start owning your roots and celebrate it by changing your and your kids names to Indic/Sanskrit ones. Otherwise you are yet another Shantic aka Islamic gandu who has nothing better offer to this world, India in particular.

Faith and Religion btw i know this guy maxwell, he is a paid g..du (G). There is zammen aur asman ka farak between Riberro and this G.

Faith and Religion Murarilal G and Testicula G,

Here are few proposals you Murarilal G could give publicity among your JNU, Doon and other such durbari G crowd.

1. Ban expression of religions and castes in public area.
2. Nationalize saints and festivals of India.
3 Ban on birthdays of aliens such as Mohamed, Jesus and Queen Elizabeth.
4. Money donated and collected by different charities need to be put in one common account and spent on per capita basis for making the body healthy, cultured broad mind and growth in consciousness. This money neeed to be used to create community centers where Yoga, Dhyan, Math Competitions, Science fairs, Athletics, martial arts and other competions and training will be held. This community center will also work as library and internet cafe.
With this money small grass root cooperatives to give helping hand to the poorest of the poor and to bring the community close will be started and helped to grow.

Murarilal G now would you first take the plunge and first own your roots and officially change your name to Murarilal Lakhanpurkar from alien Murad Baig. I will discuss further with you if you do this first. There are lot of testicula G types who have sold their mothers to the highest bidders and they think that they can preach just because they have photoes of Lenin's goaty and Queen Elizabeth's Zanty. Murarilal I think you are different. Soooo I would respond to you if you post your new biz card with new name Murarilal Lakhanpurkar BA (Hon)

Faith and Religion Murarilal Lakhanpurkar G and testicular G,


Here is a deal I would discuss with you if you collaborate on film/tele-serial script which does psycho analysis and documents making of durbari superG Allaha Ki Maa from Sahaj Ram Sapru G. You probably are paid to spread sh.t on this ezine.

About riots the truth is this:
"On 23 December 2007, Chrisitians of Brahmanigoan village tried to erect a gate in front of a hindu place of worship. This incident led to clashes between Christian and Hindu communities. Swami Lakshamananda, who visited the site, was attacked by a group of unidentified gunmen. This led to further clashes between Kondh tribals and Christians."

Now concrete proposals. YES to spirituality but big NO to dividing communities and counties using devillish concept of Abrahmic legions. Give us Yogi Yeshu, Rumi and Khalil Gibrans but do not destroy our language, the history of heroes who fought british in 1800s (yes! the tribals who are in news for violence gave a valient fight against British and before that Muslim invaders). The spiritual thought you give us need to be empowering and not enslaving to your language, places of worship, concept of superiority of your race and place of worship such as Mecca-Madina and Palestine. Finally Hindus need not listen about secularism and tolerance from Abrahmic faith people ie you two Gs. First look our own ugly face and nakedness in the mirror before pointing our open fly.

Faith and Religion No takers for Shantic Durbari G Bhi Kabhi Hindu The serial. We could sell the script to Ekta Kapur and I will make sure that you make millions before I make a dime.

OK! My Time is up! NKG/Ladduji/Pinkuji/Sanataniji
What? I am little disappointed.

Faith and Religion "The district committee of the Maoists has 22 members, 70 per cent of whom are Christians. Though close links have existed between the Maoists and the Christians, the radical Left has so far never intervened in religious matters.

The first reports of Christians taking up weapons surfaced in December last year

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During the backlash, in Brahmanigaon, villagers said they were shot at allegedly by Pano Christians from neighbouring villages.

"Panos are the real culprits. They come from the next village," one of the village woman had said.

During a house-to-house search the police found 20 guns and ammunition were found in Christian homes in Sikaram village, close to Brahmanigaon.

Security analysts believe that repeated provocation by the Sangh Parivar through fiery speeches and rallies demanding that conversions must stop have forced the Christians to retaliate.

( poor dears, they couldnt shout slogans of their own
and just had to retaliate )


In July this year, following clashes over cow slaughter, former MP Nakul Nayak, a Pano Christian, warned action will be taken against Swami Lakhananda if the administration did not take action within 10 days.

Top police sources who have been monitoring the security situation in Kandhmal said this time the Christians were prepared especially in areas where they dominate.

Digi, a Hindu village, is still smouldering. Days after saffron gangs attacked nearby Pano villages, armed men came after midnight, attacked villagers there and set fire to shops and houses. The sarpanch was brutally assaulted, his hands and legs cut by swords.

"They have had fights before they have even threatened us. But for the first time Christians have picked up arms," said one villager.

The church denies this.

"It is a lie. The church never supports violence. We want peace. We want development. We would never condone violence," said the Archbishop.

( religion of love becoming religion of peace )

A number of conservative para-church organisations and new churches are involved in a 'numbers' game and conversion and contribute to undoing the good work done by the Roman Catholics and Protestants in the areas of health, education and development. When there is a backlash, all Christians irrespective of whether they are involved in militant forms of mission or not become fair game for Hindu militants," said Pradip Ninan Thomas.

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Faith and Religion It was not Maoist who did the murder but the EvanJihadists. Its convenient to put blame on Maoists. It's different story that both Maoists and EvanJihadists are coming together.

In this murder 100 or so people were involved. They were disorganized and generally aMaoists are much organized and disciploined. Maoists wuld not come in such large number. The guys who carried the AK47s seemed not commanders of Maoists. Thus it was done by EvanJihadists.

Faith and Religion B.RAMAN

Every Indian, who wishes to see India grow in unity, strength and prosperity, will be concerned over the implications of the emergence of a growing Hindu-Christian divide in the Indian civil society.

2. The recent shocking incidents of violence in some parts of the State of Orissa have brought home to us the extent to which the poison inthe relations between the two communities has spread. What one saw in Orissa was nothing less than a mini version of what one saw in Gujarat in 2002.

3. In Gujarat, the massacre of a group of Hindu pilgrims travelling in a railway compartment by a group of Muslim fanatics when the train had stopped at a railway station called Godhra, led to widespread retaliatory attacks on members of the Muslim community in different partsof the State. The brutal violence witnessed during these incidents committed initially by the Muslims and subsequently by the Hindus should be a matter of shame to us as a nation.

4. In Orissa, the brutal murder of a highly-respected leader of the Hindu community belonging to the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) by a groupof suspected Christian elements led to widespread attacks by members of the Hindu community----most of them allegedly belonging to the VHP--- on the Christan community. The casualties in Orissa were thankfully small as compared to those in Gujarat in 2002, but the brutality witnessed on both sides----initially by alleged Christian elements and subsequently by alleged VHP members--- was no less disturbing than what one had seen in Gujarat in 2002.

5. The seeds of the Hindu-Muslim divide were initially sown by the British during the pre-1947 colonial days. It resulted in the creation ofPakistan and the subsequent violent incidents between the Hindu and Muslim communities in different parts of India. The jihadi terrorism witnessed in different parts of India since the demolition of the Babri Masjid by a group of Hindus in December,1992,marked a new phase in the continuing divide between some sections of the Hindus and the Muslims. Forunately, this mental divide remained confined to small sections of the two communities. The two communities as a whole have till now not allowed the attempts of these small sections to spread this poison further to succeed. One of the objectives of the repeated jihadi terrorist strikes is to aggravate this divide.

6. The seeds of the Hindu-Christian divide were sown much later---long after India became independent. Even in the 1950s and the 1960s,there were concerns over the objectionable activities of foreign Christian missionaries in Indian territory. These activities perceived as objectionable not only by large sections of the Hindu community, but also by the intelligence and security agencies and by highly-respected leaders such as Jawaharlal Nehru and Indira Gandhi consisted of attempts to indulge in large -scale conversion of underprivileged Hindus and animist tribals in Central India into Christianity with the help of large, unrestricted flow of funds from the Vatican and from Catholic and Baptist organisations in the US and the role played by foreign missionaries such as the late Rev.Michael Scot in instigating the insurgency in the North-East where many of the inhabitants in Nagaland and Mizoram are Baptists.

7. Just as the flow of money from so-called Muslim charity organisations in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other Muslim countries sought to sustain and aggravate the divide between the Muslims and the Hindus, projected as infidels, and to promote jihadi terrorism in Indian territory, the flow of money from the Vatican and Christian missionary and fundamentalist organisations in the West tended to create a mental divide between the Hindus and the Christians and promote and sustain the insurgency in our North-East.

8. But the leaders of India in the post-independence years sought to see that the concerns over the role of the foreign Christian missionaries and the massive funds at their disposal did not create unwarranted suspicions in the minds of the Hindu community against their Christian fellow-citizens. They realised that if they allowed such suspicions to appear in the relations between the two communities, they would only be playing into the hands of foreign missionary organisations, which wanted to create a mental divide. They refrained from viewing our Christian fellow-citizens as surrogates of the foreign missionary organisations.

9. This conscious attempt not to allow suspicions about foreign Christian missionary organisations create prejudices in our mind about our Christian fellow-citizens started disappearing after the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) led coalition came to power in Delhi in 1998. For thefirst time, there was a greater aggressiveness and less sensitivity in the interactions between the Christian organisations----foreign as well as indigenous-- and Hindu organisations such as the VHP. It would be incorrect to blame the Government of A.B.Vajpayee for this development. No Government policy directly encouraged this development. But the silence of the Government in the face of an aggressive campaign against certain aspects of the activities of Christian organisations and against certain elements of the Christian community by the VHP indirectly led to the emergence of the first signs of a mental divide between the two communities. I was myself a witness to this post-1998 aggressive anti-Christian campaign by the VHP on some occasions.

10. This aggressive campaign by the VHP led to an equally aggressive counter-campaign by some of the indigenous Christian organisations against the VHP and those associated with it, directly or indirectly. Some members of the community of Indian origin in the US---Hindus as well as Christians--- joined this campaign, with the Hindus in the US supporting the VHP and the Christians of Indian origin in the US supporting anti-VHP organisations.

11. From an anti-conversion campaign, which in my view is justified if peaceful and in accordance with law, it took on additional dimensions of a disturbing nature. One such dimension was anti-Vatican. Sonia Gandhi, who before 1998 was projected as of Italian origin and hence unsuitable to be the Prime Minister of India, was post-1998 sought to be projected as a Roman Catholic with suspected ties to the Vatican.She was projected as the source of the greater aggressiveness exhibited by the Christian organisations. There was a discernible attempt to merge the anti-Christian and the anti-Sonia campaigns.

12. This aggression and counter-aggression, rhetoric and counter-rhetoric totally lacking in a sense of balance between the VHP on the one side and some Christian organisations on the other threaten to create fresh pockets of social and religious disharmony in the already fragile Indian society. If India is to take its place as an important power in the world and as the equal, if not the better, of China, it is important for all right-thinking people----whatever be their religion or language or political background--- to come together to strongly oppose these new divisive trends in our society and nation.

13. The Hindus constitute the preponderant majority of this nation with 80 per cent of the population. India is their homeland and they have every right to protect their interests and to safeguard the essentially Hindu nature of this country. They have a right to have organisations such as the VHP to help them in doing so. At the same time, they have an important responsibility to carry out their activities in a peaceful manner in such a way as not to add to the divisions in our society. We have to find ways of making the interests of different religious groups and communities compatible with each other and not antagonistic to each other.

14. The way the VHP and the Christian organisations determined to oppose it are carrying on their activities is threatening to create more pockets of mutual antagonism than pockets of unity and harmony. This is not good for India.(3-9-08)

Faith and Religion "Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati , who has been spearheading the anti-conversion movement in Kandhamal district in Orissa, was killed with four other inmates of Jaleshpata Ashram, where Swami Laxmanananda was staying. Swami Laxmanananda was 80.
The suspected assailants equipped with grenades and guns attacked the Ashram at 9 PM and fired shots lobbed grenades indiscriminately. The limited police staff at the Ashram could not counter them. According to eye-witness sources, over 100 people attacked the Ashram. Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati has been working against alleged forcible conversion by Christian missionaries and cow-slaughter. He had survived a murderous attempt on his life in December 2007. His disciples were also attacked by the Christian goons in the past.
Kandhamal district had seen a communal flare up several times in the past. Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati was always on hit list of anti-social elements and Maoists who were accused of triggering the communal riots in Kandhamal sometimes ago. Ironically, Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati had received a threatening letter 24 hours before his death. The letter threatened to eliminate him if he did not stop working against Christian missionaries.
If at all anyone has seen the murdered photo of Swamiji cannot belive how brutal it was it has een chopped in pieces, private parts of Mataji is chopped....(hope no more explanation is required)
so its understood who must be the killer and should be ready to face..
This is the position of a Hindu in a place so called Hindustan really pitty"

Faith and Religion "Tehelka

Dr Krishan Kumar, the young District Magistrate of Kandhamal, thinks it’s actually about jobs, land, and only then religion. Kumar has studied medicine (hence the Dr prefix), and was given overnight charge of Kandhamal when the Hindu militants began attacking the Christians.

Kumar works out of a suite in the Circuit House at Phulbani, the district headquarters of Kandhamal. He has gone two days without sleep during the crisis. After Saraswati’s murder, he was told of the killing of a pastor in Raikia, an area in Kandhamal where the Christians outnumber the Hindus. He drove with a full company of the Rapid Action Force and a contingent of the Orissa State Disaster Management Agency. “It took me 11 hours for a journey that normally takes two hours. There were so many trees cut and laid across the road,” Kumar says.

He explains why he thinks jobs are the first cause of war in Kandhamal. He says his administration has 1,000 cases of fake caste certificates to investigate. Apparently, many non-tribals, which in Kandhamal usually mean the dalits, have submitted fake certificates showing them as members of the Kandha tribe.

The certificates enable government employment in the reserved quota. This is possible because the law enables job reservation for the Scheduled Tribes (ST) even though they have converted to Christianity, while the Scheduled Castes (SC) are deprived of this quota if they convert to Christianity or another religion. This is a principal reason why the Dalit Christians are seeking reservations as well.

Government jobs are precious in Kandhamal, since there are barely any private outlets offering employment. So, the STs seethe with resentment against the SCs over jobs. Often, they fight. Since the STs are Hindus and the SCs form the bulk of the Christians, the battles can easily take a religious turn.

Then, there is land. “The tribals have been around forever. They are the original dwellers here. They never had to prove that they owned the land. I mean, why should they? In the early 1900s, the tribal land opened up. Pattas, a certificate indicating ownership of land, began to be given out. The tribes have a complex social structure. Within themselves, they had given land to neighbours for various reasons. When they had to prove ownership of land, they couldn’t. Others came in and the tribals couldn’t integrate with the market economy,” says Kumar. Loss of land could, therefore, be a cause for the fighting between the STs, who are Hindus, and the SCs, who are Christian.





A new dimension emerged in November 2007 when the Orissa Government said both the dalits and the tribals were part of one family, the Kui Samaj. Kui is the dialect spoken in Kandhamal, and the government intended to bring the dalits and the tribals on a common platform using language as glue. More importantly, it intended to give dalits job reservation and other social advantages that the tribes were given, even if they had converted to Christianity. The tribals objected strongly.

Into this mix enters religion. “Nobody fights over spirituality,” says Kumar. The war is over theology and the power that comes with organised religion.

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Goverdhan and his family converted to Christianity. They were given a Bible, and told that Jesus is the only God who gave his life for others. After six months, they were baptised. Narmada says Goverdhan was paid Rs 800 the first month, and Rs 2,000 for six months afterward. Stories like those of Goverdhan and Narmada have helped the Church to spread.

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Faith and Religion Conversion Conundrum

Lookback: Udayan Namboodiri

For the second time in a year, Christian evangelists and Hindu zealots have reduced civil society in Orissa to its knees. The refusal to admit to the deeper problem is emerging as the root cause

A lot of issues are mixed up with the Khandamal carnage. Just describing it in terms of "Hindu communalism" and hoping that liberal castigation would send the damned Hindutva scurrying for over in shame or fear or both won't ensure that this is the last time Christians are victimised in Orissa or Gujarat or any other place in India.

Saturday Special, which upholds journalism of balanced reflection, recognises the possibility of the truth hurting both parties. Though we invited Father Dominic Emmanuel, the spokesman of the Catholic Church in India (Main Story) and Hindutva ideologue Praful Goradia to articulate their respective positions (The Other View), it must be conceded that the true story lies far beyond their mutually exclusive perceptions.

At the outset, it must be admitted that it is extremely difficult for any Indian, including most people who find themselves on the anti-Christian side, to take a hostile view of Christianity and "conversions". A Lal Krishna Advani, or an Arun Jaitley, or even a BP Singhal and Goradia himself, cannot deny the role played by the educational apostolate of the Church in moulding their minds. Swami Vivekananda admitted to constructing the organisation of the Ramakrishna Mission on St. Ignatius Loyola's model. A lot of BJP leaders are actively working with frontal organisations of the Church to spread education, immunisation and environment awareness.

Similarly, the Church finds it impossible to turn away from the fact that Hindutva holds no grudge against any Christian precept and principle. Some rabid publications notwithstanding, the RSS and its fronts have acknowledged the Church's social apolstolate. On occasions, Church leaders have admitted that Hindutva is eminently more tolerant -- even "secular" as the head of the Syrio-Malabar Church of Kerala said earlier this year -- than Communism.

Yet, what do we see since the beginning of the latest episode of the ongoing "Hindu-Christian conflict" of Orissa? We have newspaper columns betraying their writers' supreme ignorance and professional dishonesty. For, not only do they regurgitate stuff long discarded by the Sangh Parivar itself, they actually struggle to manufacture new passions in the ordinary Hindu. Then, driving past the Gol Dakkhana circle in New Delhi, we saw this week banners with messages like "Stop Killing Christians". These go a long way in confirming stereotypes about Christian missionaries being in cahoots with evil foreigners.

One side refuses to answer how come, if "conversion" was indeed such a flourishing practice, the proportion of Christians to the Indian billion is actually dropping? Demographic change has happened in four districts of West Bengal and will soon overwhelm the rest of that state thanks to the Election Commission's delimitation policy which insists on giving political power to Bangladeshi infiltrators. We are waiting for the day when a Sangh Parivar outfit would emerge to take on the might of the Communist-Jihadi combine in Changrabandha and Raigunj. But that's another matter.

On the other hand, you have the All India Christian Council, whose web site makes even casual onlookers wonder as to how much the rhetorical flourish on the home page about "discrimination" against Dalits have to do with making Christians good Christians. Casteism is the bane of Hindu society, of which Hindus themselves are aware. It is good to know that the scepter of caste does not hang over Indian Christianity, but why this strange interest in the well being of "untouchables"? When juxtaposed with the literature churned out by the underground presses of foreign-funded missionary outposts in Orissa, Chhatisgarh, Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat, does it or does it not raise some justified posers over intent?

Exacerbating the tenuous link between sanity and Khandamal is the Orissa government. It admits that Swami Lakshmananand had been complaining of threats to his life from his known enemies. Yet, not only did it fail to give protection, but also went to the ludicrous extent of claiming that it was a Maoist job. Since when do the Maoists give repeated threats? Even if it were the Maoists, why wasn't the state police sensitive to the entreaties of an old man who represented greater threat to society when dead than alive?

This leads us straight back to the original question: are conversions really going on? And, if so, why does Orissa hesitate to use its Law against the merchants of religion? The Church would not give an honest answer, while its opponents go to any extent to whip of ill-will over numbers not reflected in official censuses. Problem is, the Catholic Church, which assumes leadership over all Christians in India, is quite anti-conversion itself. Yet, why does it suffer in silence when their priests and nuns, who, incidentally, are the most visible faces of Christianity, get killed and raped?

Much of the confusion can be resolved if the Catholics disassociate themselves from the issue and allow the real evangelicals to step forward. This is a demand of ordinary Christians and Hindus, all of who recognise the wider conspiracy hatched by those who profit from the festering sores. It must be recalled here that evangelical activities were discouraged even under British rule. Mahatma Gandhi had written extensively against the importation to India of the Semitic tradition that promotes competition among Faiths. Unless everbody, including the left-lib zealots, whose role in the Khandamal episode has been enigmatically mischievous, own up to the truth, a lot more bloodletting may be unavoidable.

Faith and Religion "SC-ST tussle: the sinister subtext to Kandhamal communal divide

The Panos, who lost SC status on conversion, want ST tag; this is being opposed by the Kandhs

Phulbani: On the face of it, the communal unrest in Orissa’s Kandhamal district was triggered by the 23 August murder of a man considered to be a saint by Hindus who then went on the rampage in the area, torching and looting Christian homes and prayer houses.
The swami, also a senior functionary of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), had been opposing, for more than 40 years, the proselytizing activities of Christian missionaries. So, when he was killed by unknown assailants, the suspicion fell on the Christians.
But, if people familiar with the demographics of the district are to be believed, there is a far more sinister subtext to the rioting.

“It’s the politics of reservation and the benefits that come from being a member of the scheduled castes (SC) and scheduled tribes (ST) that have played their role in these riots,” said a past principal of the Phulbani Girls’ College who didn’t want to be named. “The SC-ST divide has further fanned the communal fires.”
The Kandh tribals, after whom the district is named, are an ST community. “They are the original inhabitants of the area and were animists and even practised human sacrifice till the British came and put a stop to it,” said the academic. According to him, though the STs were animists, they had a cultural affinity with the Hindus. “Lord Jagannath, revered by Oriyas, is derived from the tribal Neelmadhab cult,” he said, adding, “Similarly, the goddess Sambaleshwari, patronized by the erstwhile king of Sambalpur, has tribal origins.”
On the other hand, the Christians of the district are converts from the Pano scheduled caste. The Panos, according to the academic, were originally Hindus who, centuries ago, came from outside the district and were also animists. “But, under British influence, they converted to Christianity in large numbers.”
So, over the years, the Kandhs embraced Hinduism in large numbers, while the Panos, who make up about a fifth of the district’s population, have turned Christians. “Tensions have always prevailed between the two with the Kandhs looking down on the Panos and very little social relations between the two,” said a senior state civil service officer who also didn’t want to be named.
However, in line with a government rule, those Panos who embraced Christianity lost their SC status and all the advantages that came with it. “For the past few years, however, the Panos are lobbying that they be given ST status,” said the same officer, adding, “Naturally, this was vehemently opposed by the Kandhs, who felt it was an encroachment on their turf.”
The genesis of the rift lies in a decision to expand the scheduled tribes list in the early 1990s to include the Kui and Kuvi communities in the ST category. “Many Panos speak the Kui language and hence demanded ST status for them as well,” said the academic. “They even formed an organization called the Kuijana Kalyana Sangha in Bhubaneswar but its registration was cancelled after the riots last December,” he said.
According to many Kandh and Hindu leaders, the demand for ST status is being made by the Panos so that they can benefit both from reservations as well as the sops doled out by the Church.
“They want reservation in seats in educational institutions as well as government jobs and also want to benefit from the money from the Church”, said Priyanath Sharma, an office bearer of the VHP. “Let them choose one, they can’t have both.”
Trust between the two communities, which was always low, is at its lowest. “The Panos would take away our land fraudulently or misrepresent themselves as Dalit Hindus even after becoming Christians to retain their SC status,” said a Kandh priest, who refused to identify himself. “Even now, they want reservation for Dalit Christians or ST status,” he said, adding, “Where will their greed end?”
Matters were made worse when the delimitation of assembly constituencies meant Kandhamal moved from a seat reserved for SCs to STs. “They sensed their power slipping away and could have fomented trouble,” said the academic.
Another ominous note is the shadow of the Maoists. “Religion and an SC-ST tussle are ideal situations for ultra-Leftists to take advantage of,” said the state bureaucrat, adding, “God help this place if they too get mixed up in all this.”
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Faith and Religion Murarilal Lakhanpurkar G,

Who should check whose money speaks from the mouth of Parera. There is big difference between Ribero and this Parera character.

But more important is what you personally going to do? Are you ready for complete ban on alien Abrahmic legions in India? Just as China was put into stupor by selling ganja, not just India but the world is being destroyed by this Abrahmic imperialistic and enslaving legions. Give us Yogi Yeshu and core spirituality, if any, but not the enslavement to distant popes and Mecca-Madina.

I am advocating that you own your local-ness of Lakhanpur and not Kotha culture of Lucknow. Since you like history so much instead of learning about distant Greek and Persian go and find out if there were rishis and Mutts on the banks of Gomati who were expert in Math, Ecology and Chemistry and bring their knowledge for common good of all and to solve the todays problems.
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or Christ's sake

I am writing this from Orissa which, quite uncharacteristically, dominated national news space during the last week of August for altogether wrong reasons. Bhubaneswar, the State's neatly planned post-Independence Capital, is tranquil enough but interior districts are still simmering from the fallout of the heinous assassination of the venerated monk Swami Laxmanananda, 80-year-old messiah of the poor and downtrodden in one of Orissa's remotest and least developed districts -- Kandhmal.

To my surprise, I found passions running high even in the Capital particularly over what people allege is the biased and undeservingly negative publicity the State received in the aftermath of the murder and the violence that predictably followed. It is a trying time for the State's usually unflappable Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik who appears set to be elected for a third straight term in office when Assembly polls happen next year. The fallout has also been a test for his coalition partner BJP, whose Hindu constituency is outraged by the killing of the Swami.

Fortunately, the BJD-BJP alliance is holding firm despite hotheads periodically seeking to stir up trouble. The violence, which ominously affected villages rather than cities -- unlike the pattern of other communal disturbances -- is also simmering down. But the questions it has raised dramatically all over again need to be addressed if recurrence is to be contained in the future.

What has agitated average middle class people in Orissa is the manner in which a one-sided perspective is being peddled as fact in the national media, to the courts and even among school children. There is consternation over the one-day strike called by Christian organisations that shut down many schools and colleges across the country. "The Courts are quick to denounce strikes and bandhs everywhere. Political parties are even fined for calling a bandh. Why hasn't anybody condemned the enforced strike in Christian educational institutions?" asked an angry teacher.

Apparently, some school authorities even distributed a circular among students explaining why the bandh had been called. The letter complained in a high-pitched tone about the attacks on churches, priests, orphanages and ordinary Christian villagers by rampaging mobs. The circular, admittedly also regretted the murder of the octogenarian Swami, but only in a proforma fashion. The purpose of the explanatory letter was not really to explain but to condition young, impressionable minds into a particular line of thinking.

A parent told me about the following exchange with his school-going daughter: "Why is your school closed tomorrow?" he had asked. Pat came the reply, "Because Hindus are killing innocent Christians in Orissa." When he persisted and queried why Hindus are supposedly doing that, his daughter looked nonplussed and confessed she had no idea, but after some thought added, "They did that to Muslims in Gujarat also, No?" The brainwashing of children, especially in urban India, has acquired a new dimension.

Sometimes I get the feeling that a diabolical section of proselytising missionaries are determined to milk the post-Laxmananand violence to the hilt to further their cause. Significantly, as even diehard secular TV channels have revealed, the violence in Orissa, unlike post-Godhra Gujarat, was hardly one-sided. Christian-dominated villages persecuted Hindus as much as vice versa and, in any case the disturbances were confined to just two districts. And, by the way, no nun was burnt to death; it was a Hindu woman who was unfortunately trapped in a hut set on fire by vandals. No wonder large numbers of Hindus, especially women, converged on a relief camp for Christians in Tiklabari in Kandhmal last Wednesday, demanding that either everybody get official relief or the Christians-only camp be shut. They told visiting politicians and the media that they too had suffered in the violence. Besides, the police was strictly enforcing curfew preventing them from going to work to earn a livelihood. "Why are Christians getting all the attention while we are starving?" the charged crowds demanded to know. I am referring to this incident only to underline that the issue is not as simple as the counsel for Christian organisations made it out in the Supreme Court last Thursday.

It is a measure of the efficacy of the Christian network that within hours of the disturbances happening, the Pope issued a strong denunciation of the "persecution" of Christians in India. Worse, the Italian Foreign Office had the temerity to summon India's Ambassador in Rome to admonish him and demand an immediate end to the harassment of Christians in this country. Incidentally, both these actions have contributed to the anger of people in Orissa.

I was repeatedly asked why New Delhi had not issued a strong statement telling Rome and the Holy Seer that Orissa is India's internal affair and they should keep their mouths firmly shut. "Each time there are some problems between Hindus and Muslims, Pakistan too makes gratuitous noises about Muslims in India. But Delhi tells them to stay away from our internal matters. Why does the Government lack the guts to do the same with Italy?" asked an irate journalist, hinting that the reason for being deferential towards Italians, resident or non-resident, would not be very far to seek.

In fairness, though, the venerable Pope, as spiritual head of the Roman Catholic world, has a right to express concern if his co-religionists face insecurity in any part of the world. But the pontiff would have done well to appreciate the gravity of the situation and also recognised the root cause of the friction. There would be no trouble between Hindus and Christians, who are mostly a peaceful community living in harmony with Hindus for centuries, but for the aggressive campaign to "harvest souls", meaning, convert poor Hindus. It is the influx of massive funds, mainly from Europe, to further a renewed evangelical offensive in India that is the cause of mounting tensions between Hindus and Christians in many parts of India.

An Orissa legislator (not BJP) narrated some instances of glitzy audio-visual campaigns by Christian missionaries in the State's interiors. Although the State Government was forced to ban the entry of foreign evangelists following protests some years ago, there's no stopping the funds. Promises of good education, jobs and even careers abroad are freely made, tempting many impoverished villagers.

Dispensing with the usual paraphernalia of baptism, some priests apparently preside over mass conversions whereby those willing to change their religion need only to take a dip in the village pond to expiate their past sins. As many independent sociologists have pointed out, new converts in villages become particularly aggressive towards their erstwhile community and the resulting social cleavage eventually spills over into violence. This is probably the strongest argument for enacting watertight anti-conversion legislation.

The Government is required to preserve and promote social harmony, rebuffing the Church's ambition to "harvest souls". In the final analysis, however, Hindu society too is to blame for the steady expansion of Christian missionary activity. Why are their so few Swami Laxmananands among us? Why don't Hindu organisations work more effectively in backward and tribal-dominated areas? That is the only way to deny non-Indic religions a foothold in sensitive parts of the country and thereby preserving social harmony.

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