Remembering the Jallianwala Bagh, Gandhi, Churchill and Jinnah who funds ttp?

Remembering the Jallianwala Bagh, Gandhi, Churchill and Jinnah that was mj akbar

Remembering the Jallianwala Bagh, Gandhi, Churchill and Jinnah The oddest fallacy within Delhi's current establishment is the conviction that Pakistan's India policy is leader-centric rather than a projection of national interest, which those in power might tinker with here, or twist there, but cannot shift from a fundamental axis: the belief that the Kashmir valley should be a part of Pakistan. Definitions of national interest take much longer to change than leaders.

The public lament of national security adviser M K Narayanan at the impending departure of Pervez Musharraf may have been well-intentioned but was ill-advised. It certainly did not help Musharraf, and may even have hurt him with his core constituency, the army and the ISI. If it is the prevailing view in the Manmohan Singh government that Islamabad's promotion of violence in Kashmir, either through directly sponsored terrorism, or encouragement of mass displays of disaffection, varies with the inclinations of individuals, then it is time to outsource Pakistan policy to less naive professionals.

Islamabad's policy towards Kashmir is calibrated on a sensitive thermometer that measures the fever between circumstance and opportunity. This was true of October 1947, when Jinnah launched a war for the Valley after the peaceful resolution of Kashmir through negotiations with Nehru and the Maharaja, with Britain as the fourth party at the table, became inevitable. All three, India, Pakistan and Britain, were agreed that independence was not on offer. Jinnah was convinced that Nehru's inexperienced government, unable to control a raging Hindu-Muslim civil war, would be incapable of fighting back a "tribal incursion" and he would be able to join the congregation on the first Friday prayers at the grand mosque in Srinagar within days of the Pak-sponsored "uprising".

In 1965, Ayub Khan saw an opportunity in three critical facts: the humiliation of the Indian Army on the China border three years before; a Congress bereft of Nehru, who died in 1964; and a Kashmir still in the tremors of an unprecedented upsurge over the mysterious disappearance (and even more mysterious reappearance) of the mo-e-muqaddas, a strand of hair from the beard of the Holy Prophet of Islam.

There is still some dispute as to who launched Kargil, but the evidence points to a still-unknown general, Pervez Musharraf. He saw a fragile coalition in Delhi led by BJP, and became convinced that he could creep up and take up impregnable positions astride vital communication lines while his prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, twiddled his hamburgers in Islamabad. The Pak army did not envisage a larger conflict because it had realized, as early as the early 1980s, that a conventional war with India was no longer winnable.

The despot who ruled the country then, General Zia-ul Haq, therefore stabilized relations on the surface and undermined them below eye-level through blatant support for secessionism in Punjab and Kashmir. The background and character of each man, whether democrat or dictator, had less to do with what he did than circumstance and opportunity. If India provides the opening, a Pakistani leader will seize the chance to change the status of the Kashmir valley. The latest Pakistani threat to take Kashmir back to the top of the agenda at the United Nations has come not from a dictator but a democrat.

War and peace are not open-ended options; both are framed by specifics. The good news for peaceniks (among whom I count myself) is that the bomb has ended the possibility of formal war. The bad news is that no one knows what peace means.

Can there be peace until Pakistan renounces its deeply held objective that the Kashmir valley cannot remain an integral part of India? Can any government in Delhi purchase peace by any compromise on the legal and territorial status quo?

We have elided Kargil from Musharraf's CV and replaced it with Agra and his periodic hints about an "out-of-the-box settlement" on Kashmir. To be fair, Musharraf always made it clear that the status quo was not acceptable as the solution. What precisely did Musharraf mean?

Musharraf's peace-drive was running at least partly on an American gear. With the Manmohan Singh government itching for its own American embrace, it made sense for Washington to have both South Asian nations on its side. The best American formula for Kashmir is obviously one that would guarantee trilateral benefits, the third interest being the American.

A model often proposed at Washington-encouraged conferences has been a Kashmir delinked from Jammu and Ladakh, over which India might enjoy at best a face-saving, limited sovereignty. Trifurcation is the first step towards an "autonomous" or "quasi-independent" Kashmir, while Jammu and Ladakh, unleashed from Article 370, integrate fully with India.

To create the psychological conditions for such an option, we need the same mindset that persuaded enough Indian Hindus to agree to partition in 1947. On one margin today is the radical-soft, human rights view that Kashmiris should be given their "azadi" because they want it. (It would be equivalent to the CPI position before 1947.) This argument is indifferent to two potential consequences. Indian Muslims, who have already paid a heavy price for the "guilt" of 1947, would be condemned to generations of discrimination for a second betrayal of the motherland by some of their co-religionists; and there would be a collateral rise in other "independence" movements in Punjab, Gorkhaland, the North-East and the South. Welcome to Balkan India. Kosovo could seem a large country compared with Gorkhaland.

On the obverse, this scenario needs a growing "enough-is-enough, to-hell-with-Kashmiris" attitude among Hindus, aggravated by anger against ingratitude - after all secular India provided Kashmiris not only the chance to join a rising economy, but also a modern education and the freedom of a multicultural society, and they rejected it. The two points of view would coalesce from different directions. Impossible? This is precisely what happened in 1947, leaving Gandhi and Maulana Azad distraught but utterly helpless. Sixty one years later, some opinion-builders in English newspapers have begun to articulate the "enough-is-enough" argument.

Dr Manmohan Singh spoke a few days ago of finding a permanent settlement to Kashmir. Implicit in the use of "permanent" is the belief that the status quo is unsatisfactory and needs alteration. The official position of India lies in a Parliament resolution, binding on all governments, that Kashmir's status cannot be diluted. The pragmatic position, which would find acceptance if ever put to the test, is that the ceasefire line should be converted into the international border. Even peace-loving Musharraf, who did not have to worry about a popular vote, was not in a position to accept the ceasefire line as the final destiny. His successors will not sign on either, when they get time from their increasingly vicious internecine battles for political supremacy. So what "permanent" solution does Dr Singh have in mind?

Peace with Pakistan is possible, but it can only come when India looks strong, not when it seems vulnerable. The health of India is what Delhi should worry about, not the health of Pervez Musharraf.

Reviving the Pakistani cinema I know Ramesh Deo's family since we both come from Kolhapur. But hear from horse's mouth:
http://www.screenindia.com/old/archive/archive_fullstory.php?content_id= 15064

Pratibha Patil is also Maratha Rajput. Thanks to ShivChatrapati we have the least casticism among all states.

Half Chaddiwala was not a bad fellow. He gave a good laugh but at the expense of simpleton folks from villages. He was almost an orphan. If he is not bramhin then probably was Sonar who carry Janava/thread. Since he is not 96 Kuli Maratha, he would have got place here as Maratha Kunabi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunbi

Since I hate to talk about casts, this is the last post.

17 August 1988 "perhaps born in mid seventies, that right after Jordan."

that explains why he became very religious. leadership is always higher consciousness than those who are lead.

In fact it is us collectively ask for our leadership, mostly subconsciously/subliminally etc. Trillions and trillions of living being and even those non-living ask for Sun to live and provide energy and it does day after day. It's almost like a dream we collectively are engineering/creating.

Spiritualization broadens the mind but looking at Zaid Hamid it seems there is some thing in Shanti (aka Islam in arabic) that either makes one melancholic, angry and life hating. Why this guy does not have smile on his face.

The lady Hina miraj is goddess like. Indians will hesitate nuking bakiland because of her. This Zaid guy can shoot us hiding behind her.

17 August 1988 when was he in Jordan?

17 August 1988 "Atonement came in the way of overt display of religious symbolism. A boozer and smoker that he was, as a GOC, he began display of Nimaz specially during office timings"

when was his disabled daughter born?

Reviving the Pakistani cinema half chaddiwala was bramhin, btw. we should not be talking about casts. we need to bury it. better half is truly better and bramhin though i am not.

For me goaty is Tendulkar. Real well rooted folks who were loyal to the mati but you forgot to mention were people like GaDiMa and his elder brother. Ramesh Dev is Rajput from kolhapur but Seema is bramhin. It is not cast but anglophiling or BA (Hons) of goatis and jhola-walas spoiled. they had nothing to offer except cheap copies and sexualizing every thing. they were na ghar ke na ghat ke. they did not know our own culture or history but had read in their BA books about Churchil, Marx and Lenin. They dished out melancholy, foolish anger or humor of village folks,everything Indians or politicians.

There were many well meaning and activists folks such as Bhalba Kelkar. Right now Marathi is under threat unless we make it attractive for kids. In summer vacation my son attended Progressive Dramatic Association.

Musharraf and Me

see the delusional, liar, racist and bigot.

Reviving the Pakistani cinema half chaddiwala was beaten in kolhapur with lot of kolhapuris for taking cheap shots at real bhumiputras and putris. Girani Kamagars also beat this guy.

any art or expression needs to be first empowering ie cosnsciousness raising

second it should not be based on lie

third, it should be tasty.

real fall happened because of Ghashiram Kotwal type doosronki undies washing in public by BA (Hons)s. If one scratched "goaty" of these folks you could immediately see that there were no deep roots. these folks thrived on you scratch my back and i scratch yours. To some extent these were castiests folks who took cheap shots at empowerment of village folks because of cooperative and democratic movements. Their dramas could not be seen with family.

Technology was the real egalitarian force. When the cost of production went down because of technology Shwaas like movies could take breath. Jai Ho Digitization!

Natya has roots in temple. In my village even upto late 70s dramas were performed on Holi. In interior Maratha land Marathi Tamasha was basically based on short drama skits. Tamashas which I attended could be seen with families and had lot of social and spiritual issues handled. I found them more progressive than "goaty" 's dramas.

It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India Bihar from where GOI got Iron, Coal and other minerals gets Rs.600 per capita per year loan and these scumBaigs get grant ie gift of Rs. 30K per shantic kashmiri per year. Because of these testicular type fukhat ka khane wale India has to spend Billions of $s on defense.


We need to move all Bhayyas from Mumbai into Srinagar. Sanatani I think you are in India so would you please start the movement for Kumbha Mela at Dal lake.

It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India Dost,

You should have written about Rs. 10K grant per capita from GOI. Kashmiri Shantic folks must have stole Jammu's and Ladakh's share. So I feel Kashmiri Shantic folks ate rs. 30K per year per Kashmiri shantic capita for six decades. No wonder Bihar who gets loan of Rs. 600 per capita per year is in such dire state. One crore Biharis need to be settled around Dal lake. Mind that grant is gift

It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India Yet another Shantic draculla. 10 Million DeshPremi Indians need to have long march of Mao type and settle in Kashmir valley. Next Kumbh Mela needs to be held at Dal Lake Srinanagr.

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IN July 2001, the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi hosted a reception for President General Pervez Musharraf, who was then on his way to Agra for his summit meeting with Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee. In the middle of the genteel gathering, a venomous argument broke out between Syed Ahmed Bukhari, the Imam of the historic Jama Masjid in Delhi, and Syed Ali Shah Geelani, perhaps the most visible figure of the Islamist Far Right in Jammu and Kashmir. The debate, which began over Bukhari's claim that the interests of Indian Muslims were at stake in Jammu and Kashmir, ended emphatically. "Kashmir will become a part of Pakistan," Geelani declaimed, "I am a Pakistani."

Not, it seems, when it comes to taking a favour or two from the Indian state. On April 21, Geelani swore out an affidavit before Daljit Singh, the Sub-Divisional Magistrate in charge of the Karol Bagh area of New Delhi, proclaiming that he was a "Senior Citizen of India." The affidavit, which also recorded his date of birth and the address of his home in the upmarket Malviya Nagar area, was filed in order to obtain discounts offered by Indian Airlines Ltd. for senior citizens. The intelligence officials who trail the Jamaat-e-Islami leader were delighted, and promptly leaked copies of the document to journalists in New Delhi.

A cheap shot? The affidavit illustrates, if nothing else, the opportunism of the most hardline figure in the secessionist All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC). Geelani has, over the years, repeatedly called for boycotts of elections in Jammu and Kashmir. He, however, continues to draw a pension of Rs.7,100 a month due to him as a two-time member of the State's Legislative Assembly. The veteran politician had, at that time, no qualms about taking office bound by the Indian Constitution. Indeed, Geelani, like other Muslim United Front MLAs elected in 1987, stayed in office until late 1989, hesitant about joining the early armed struggle in the State. None of Geelani's children joined the jehad he energetically advocated all families in Jammu and Kashmir to contribute their sons to.

Geelani's relationship with the Indian state has continued to be ambiguous. After his arrest last year, under the Jammu and Kashmir Public Safety Act, he was shifted to the Birsa Munda prison in Ranchi, Jharkhand. The prison cell he was housed in was a two-room block custom-built to house former Bihar Chief Minister Laloo Prasad Yadav. The closest thing to a five-star accommodation available in the Indian prison system, Geelani's accommodation was in stark contrast to that given to most other prisoners from Jammu and Kashmir.

Early this year, a tumour in Geelani's kidney was found to be malignant. He was promptly flown to Mumbai from Ranchi, on the Jammu and Kashmir government's official twin-engine Beechcraft. A personal doctor flew on the plane from Srinagar, and was in attendance at the luxury suite made available to Geelani at the Tata Memorial Hospital, a premier cancer-care facility. On his return to Srinagar, however, he complained about poor prison conditions and healthcare, perhaps an effort to shore up his legitimacy with his understandably sceptical constituency.

The circumstances of Geelani's release, like those of Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front leader Yasin Malik, remain somewhat opaque. The Public Safety Act order issued on June 9, 2002 specified that Geelani be imprisoned for two years. The Act allows for the parole of prisoners for a specified period and on specific grounds. The order granting Geelani parole cites no specific reasons for his release, nor mandates the conditions that he must adhere to during his parole period. The Jamaat-e-Islami leader has been politically active since his return to the State, a violation of the normal parole conditions. Once again, the state has been inexplicably generous to one of its most hostile enemies.

Meanwhile, Income Tax proceedings initiated against Geelani last year appear to have fallen into limbo. Income Tax officials who raided Geelani's home and those of his immediate family members found Rs.10.25 lakhs in cash, another $10,000, vouchers for recently purchased jewellery and documents relating to the purchase of two new homes in an upmarket neighbourhood in Srinagar. Geelani employed 14 servants at a monthly salary of Rs.2,000 each, an expense which in itself exceeded his disclosed monthly income of Rs.17,100. If the cases collapse, it will just be the last in a long string of hawala and income tax charges brought against the politician, which were subsequently withdrawn for no apparent reason.

Soldiers who fight wars, it is said, best understand the value of peace. Geelani has never fought in the campaign that has cost the lives of thousands of Hizbul Mujahideen cadre, the organisation he patronises. In late April, Hizbul Mujahideen cadre, allied to the recently assassinated pro-peace leader Majid Dar, raided their organisation's head office in Islamabad. Office staff loyal to Geelani's most loyal follower, Hizbul Mujahideen supreme commander Mohammad Yusuf Shah, was driven out. The dissidents briefly took possession of Rs.1.37 crores in cash, along with eight cars, before Pakistani intelligence officials stepped in and sealed the building.

In his own ranks, Geelani seems to have few friends left. That, oddly enough, cannot be said of the state that he so bitterly opposes.

It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India Nearly 2 lakhs court arrest for shrine land
www.earlytimes.in
8/18/2008 10:39:24 PM


Early Times Reporter
Jammu | Aug 18

It was a quick and grim reminder of Indian freedom movement today when several thousands people –rather few lakhs –marched to the Police several stations across the region and offered their arrests in a gesture of strongest protest against the government for its inability to restore 800 kanals of forest land at Baltal to the Shri Amarnath Shrine Board.
The first phase of the ‘Jail Bharo Andolan’ launched by Shri Amarnath Yatra Sangharsh Samiti and supported by over three dozen other organizations, saw a sea of humanity pouring into various Police Stations to offer their arrests. Though the situation was tough for the Police to handle but no curfew or other restrictions had been imposed to curb the movement of agitators.
Though today it was the turn of men to court their arrests but thousands of women and children also marched to the Police Stations. The women folk said that they were pained over the situation and were in no mood to wait till their turn. “Although woman folk was not asked to participate in today's Jail Bharo Andolan, still more than 10,000 women offered themselves for arrest. Women would offer themselves for court arrest on August 19 followed by programme of court arrest of children on August 20”, said a Samiti spokesman.
Strength in the court arrest march was unprecedented but an exact figure of those who courted their arrests could not be worked out. The Shri Amarnath Yatra Sangharsh Samiti claimed that more than three lakh people in all districts of Jammu region courted arrests. Barring a couple of Police Stations, no other Police officer could confirm the exact number of protestors who reached their respective jurisdiction. However, computation reports as gathered by our reporters in the City and other parts of region suggest that by any estimate the total strength of protesters was between 1.75 lakhs to 2 lakhs. “We have never seen such an unprecedented response to any movement so far”, said a senior Police officer wishing not to be identified.

Long Live Pakistan how come those ladies so expensively dressed with red lip sticks and maskaras? this dhakkan mamu appeared in vey expensive western suits? kis munh se yeh dhakkan talks so much from Shantic Pustika?

But for sure, he speaks sense and divine.

Long Live Pakistan Pt. Mandar Multankarji and Pt. Testicularji Kidhar Hai?

Is Pandit Mandarji this dhakkan who makes all sense but because of his Arabic and Persian makes it all wrong?

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Tum Mamu logs need to make Shanti Indianized. Whatever this guy talks translate it in Marathi, Gujarathi and Sanskeitized Hindi. If what guy talks is real Shanti then its Dharma. So Testicularji for unflinching idealism transcribe what this mamu is talking in Hindi and simple english. Do it for this episode and also few before it and after it.