A Guantanomized Age #50
cliftonbridge:
"(putting a diff premium on MUSLIM life that american muslims should recognize because it impacts their own lives in america). "

No, that's not what he's saying at all. This article is not about the erosion of civil rights of Muslims in the US, it is about how they and other "moderate" muslims are perceived and about why more moderate muslims aren't coming forward and condemning terrorism.

A Guantanomized Age "all it does is make some subjective generalizations, and then repeat them over and over again"

tahmed32: no, that's all you do.

A Guantanomized Age HP: The ironic thing is that it's supposed to be muslims whose worldview dehumanizes huge chunks of humanity. Eklavya's and Ajeya's comments really expose the hypocrisy of their own claims. To them, the author is just a brainwashed enabler of jihad, so brainwashed that he doesn't even realize it. Of course the liberal US publications in which an article like this would have no problem being published are also enablers of jihad. Everyone's an enabler of Jihad!

A Guantanomized Age #8
cliftonbridge did you even read the rest of the paragraph that you were quoting from? This is the whole thing:
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This is a painful but clear reminder to Muslims here and elsewhere that Muslim life does not occupy the same plane as American life: that if ten, twenty, or even one hundred Muslims die for every fallen American civilian, it is not sufficient cause for introspection; and that if a Muslim plays no role in attacks on Americans, he is still subject to a harsher judgment than an American who cheers policies that leave tens of thousands of Muslims dead."

The author was talking about the attitude towards loss of civilian life in MUSLIM COUNTRIES as a result of the war on terror. NOT about the civil rights of US Muslims.

A Guantanomized Age "This is my guess - they dont think anything of the Indians, so Indians' opinions dont matter to them. However, they look up to the US and the west, and so thrill in getting any attention from the US or the west"

tahmed32, aren't you the one who dismissed the hindu attitude towards Islam a few posts ago as being shaped by their 1000 years of slavery? So wouldn't the above quote describe your attitude rather well?

A Guantanomized Age by quoting #9 I wasn't endorsing it. I was just explaining to krbhatti that #2 and #9 are saying the same thing, only #9 is a bit more clear.

A Guantanomized Age yaar krbhatti:
#9 is the cliffsnotes version of #2. Specifically:

"The indoctrination just affects different Muslims to different degrees. Some become terrorists, some actively help the terrorists, some become terrorist sympathizers, and almost all become Islamic apologists. All these people are working towards the same cause, and the same goal, although many of them may not know it. Just like individual ants don't see the overall pattern of the activity of the entire colony of ants."

The God Delusion eklavya, your version makes more sense. Urstruly was saying that the believer's perspective was self-evident.

The God Delusion Re: # 87
this is a good argument against religious proselytization too..

The God Delusion khurram: hmm but couldn't you say that anyone who believed in some kind of universal truth would also have to believe that it was final and exclusive? (i.e. they believed that anyone who didn't believe it was absolutely wrong?) I think this is what Naqshabandi was arguing in #24

So I guess there are 2 solutions: either humanity must stop believing in universal truths or there must be a way to regulate how different groups subscribing to what they consider to be universal truths must interact (which is what I think Islam's biggest problem is)

September Morning what I mean is, the distance "test" is actually a very good one and unfortunately most people from most countries fail it.

September Morning "Kaal, that is a cop out. Saying distance desensitizes you to common sense and conventional wisdom is silly"

chaltahai do you have an infinite and unbiased sense of justice? For example, what do you think about the Azizabad airstrike in Afghanistan? Do you think about it at all? Your government is using certain means at its disposal to take care of a problem and they would not use those means in NYC, would then?

September Morning eklavya, as much as I've been giving you a hard time recently, that was a good catch. And the best part is that Irshad Manji is going to save us from this phony ideology.

Dr Afia Siddiqui\'s Case majumdar: I think tahmed32 wants the pakistani army with the US danda behind it to take care of the problem. akcheema wants to go for the hafiz assad solution (the syrian army wiped out the muslim brotherhood in Syria in the 80s with measures like collective punishment of entire villages, and very civilian-targetted bombings). I'm not exactly sure what they're arguing about, to be honest.

Honor Killings in Babakot ok so when jewish rabbis overruled or re-interpreted aspects of the hebrew bible in the talmud did they all suddenly become atheists?

US Commando Strike in Waziristan well, the treasury basically has the power to extend unlimited credit because of the housing bill that congress signed last month and it looks like they're planning to do whatever it takes... in excess of $200 billion, the number just keeps rising.